adahylgarcez: No Limit Texas Hold’em Hand, 400.00/800.00, adahylgarcez | BOOM! Hand Replayer
Aconteceu essa jogada comigo hoje e fiquei sem saber direito onde denunciar na pokerstars.
Mr. Reis: você clica naquele stack de fiachas acima do pote de fichas e chama o moderador… os caras aparecem em 1~2 minutos.
adahylgarcez: Como assim chegam em segundos? Eu fui ali, ai aparece chat issue ou other issue, fui em other issue ai envia o e-mail pra eles, tava sem saber se era nesse lugar mesmo.
afsalagoas: Qual o nick dos caras? Pq vc acha q foi dumping?
Sarsante: não, moderador é mais pra problemas com o chat, como alguém xingando e talz.
vc tem que ir em help > contact support
escolha o idioma, category > security e sub-category > complaint
Qual o nick dos caras? Pq vc acha q foi dumping?
vc acha que não foi???
afsalagoas: Não, pq tem n fatores uai. Vai saber o cara esta jogando n mesas, e deu um miss click?? Já aconteceu comigo da um call gigante e foldar depois por um miss.
Tem que elaborar mais, faz a solicitação no ps, que ele vai chegar tudo isso.
adahylgarcez: Sim, claro, há n fatores, mas ai cabe a ps confirmar se foi realmente dump chips. Eu quis dizer denunciar possível dump chips.
Sarsante: concordo que pode ter sido miss click o call pf, mas depois não existe foldar um pot de 10-12k fichas por causa de 24 fichas…
Mr. Reis: Eu ja vi fold para um raise AI de 1 ficha a mais do que o cara betou, e tenho certeza de que não foi armação.
Tipo o cara da um raise para 1000, o outro player aumenta para 1001, e o 1º ainda folda.
afsalagoas: Pois é cara, o negócio é pegar a parada e pedir suporte, só eles sabem se foi ou não. Além do mais um torneio turbo e tal a posição da aposta, a chance de tomar call e etc é muito grande.
Daximmous: Dependendo tem player que estão tão multitable que não olha a stack do vilão e coloca fold any, mas se tiverem tc no chat ai é fato, se for do mesmo pais também
adahylgarcez: Recebi esse e-mail como resposta da PokerStars, eles avisam que vão checar o caso e me enviaram um e-mail relatando o que eles concluirem, agora é só aguardar.
Hello Adahyl,
Thank you for your report.
The integrity of our games is of utmost importance to PokerStars, and we employ a large team of Poker Specialists who investigate all collusion reports received from our players.
We have forwarded your email to a Poker Specialist for review. They will undertake an extensive investigation into any relationship and past play between these players. Please allow them some time to research this issue as it may take several days if the case is particularly complex.
You will receive a response with the results of our investigation as soon as possible.
Please let us know if we can assist you further, and thanks for playing at PokerStars!
Regards,
Marco R
PokerStars Support Team
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We are poker!
duduneles: eu já foldei com 1 ficha pra trás em bolha de sng mas essa aí foi bem estranha
adahylgarcez: Recebi um e-mail de volta da PokerStars, eles fizeram a análise e concluiram que não foi collusion, segue o e-mail se alguém quiser dar uma olhada:
Hello Adahyl,
Thank you for your report.
PokerStars continually monitors the games for collusion, and we sincerely appreciate you bringing your concerns to our attention. Following your report, we have completed an investigation into the accounts of players ‘dmiyata’ and ‘ogurets’.
One of the most important aspects of a case we consider when reviewing a case for collusion is whether or not the suspect players have a relationship. Location can be a contributing factor in trying to determine the nature of a relationship between players.
In this case, one player lives in Brazil, and the other in Russia.
Location alone, however, is not sufficient in proving a relationship or as to whether cooperative play is occurring at the tables.
Aside from location, we use a variety of tools and methods to assist us in determining whether or not relationships exist between players. One of the things we look at is their frequency of play together. Given how many players are playing on PokerStars at any given time, it would be unusual for seemingly unrelated players to frequently end up at the same table.
This is the only time these players have met at the table.
This fact, along with the other data we considered, confirm that these players do not seem to have a relationship with one another.
No collusion review could be complete, though, without a thorough review of the play itself. An advantage of online poker, as compared to live poker, is that every hand is recorded, allowing for a complete review. If any play is considered suspicious we can review the hands with all cards showing.
When reviewing tournament play for possible collusion we check for the following:
1) Best hand playing – where colluding players play only the better of their two hands.
2) Soft playing – where colluding players refuse to play aggressively against each other. For example they may check or fold against each other where they would normally bet or raise against a stranger.
3) Chip dumping/Stack balancing – where the large stack folds to the small stack to balance their chips. The idea is to improve the chances of both players finishing in money positions in a tournament.
We found no evidence of any of this suspicious play.
Given the lack of any relationship between their accounts, the relatively rare play together, and the lack of any suspiciously played hands, there is no evidence to suggest these players are cooperating at our tables.
I have located the hand that you have referred to and attached it below:
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Mano de PokerStars n.º 101069760395: Torneo n.º 757312900, 1.36 $+0.14 $ USD Hold’em No Limit – Nivel XI (400/800) – 07-07-2013 1:04:36 ET
Mesa ‘757312900 5′ 9-max Asiento n.º 2 es el botón
Asiento 1: PradaCps (3928 en fichas)
Asiento 2: ogurets (18706 en fichas)
Asiento 3: adahylgarcez (8273 en fichas)
Asiento 4: cuika01 (5508 en fichas)
Asiento 5: womball0699 (4974 en fichas)
Asiento 6: GTG49 (5634 en fichas)
Asiento 7: dmiyata (5274 en fichas)
Asiento 8: abuuuu (2782 en fichas)
Asiento 9: wanderer_pro (12421 en fichas)
PradaCps: pone el ante 50
ogurets: pone el ante 50
adahylgarcez: pone el ante 50
cuika01: pone el ante 50
womball0699: pone el ante 50
GTG49: pone el ante 50
dmiyata: pone el ante 50
abuuuu: pone el ante 50
wanderer_pro: pone el ante 50
adahylgarcez: pone ciega pequeña 400
cuika01: pone ciega grande 800
*** CARTAS PROPIAS ***
womball0699: se retira
GTG49: se retira
dmiyata: sube 4400 a 5200
abuuuu: se retira
wanderer_pro: se retira
PradaCps: se retira
ogurets: iguala 5200
adahylgarcez: se retira
cuika01: se retira
*** FLOP ***
dmiyata: apuesta 24 y está all-in
ogurets: se retira
La apuesta no igualada (24) ha sido devuelta a dmiyata
dmiyata recaudó 12050 de bote
dmiyata: no muestra su mano
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I agree that this hand looks unusual however, we can’t conclude that these players were colluding from this one and only isolated occurrence. Whilst we can’t say for certain why the player folded here we can definitely provide you with a few possibilities. Please consider the following:
1) It was a miss-click. We have some of the best multi-tablers on our site constantly making such mistakes, they are very common and the price that many multi-tablers pay for playing in a large number of events at the same time. Another reason for miss-clicking could be that they were doing something else on their computer in the background such as downloading some music or browsing the Internet which could have caused them to take the wrong action when the table popped-up. Please understand that be it online or live, all poker players regardless of their skill level have made the wrong fold (or call) at some point throughout their poker career.
2) It is possible that this player, not aware of the small number of chips their opponent had moved all-in with, based their decision only on their own cards. In such situations it is certainly possible that some players, even those playing large stacks, play incorrectly, considering only their own hands, and not properly weighing their opponents’ chip count.
3) The player could not justify calling any size bet given the weak hand they held. Calling may have seemed meaningless as they were fairly confident they were not going to win the hand no matter what happened. A player familiar with ideal strategy would be inclined to call this all-in with almost any two cards. However, not all players understand this concept and how it is profitable to call all-ins, in such spots.
4) The player disconnected – which seems likely given that they were then “sitting out” for a large portion of this tournament following the hand in question.
Please understand that we are not offering excuses, just possibilities to complement the facts of our detailed investigation. Yes, it is true that these reasons may seem like rare or wild occurrences but they are very common in an online environment happening multiple times a day on any poker site.
I have placed notes in the players’ accounts indicating your concerns and the result of this review.
Once again, thank you for your report, and for choosing PokerStars.
Brett
PokerStars Game Integrity Team
Sarsante: nice! foi só donkisse mesmo!
mas é bom saber que eles investigam as denúncias, eu já mandei alguns emails desse tipo.
RicardoSzZ: Deve ter rolado foi um missclick do cara que deu call no shove hahahahaha
Edit: Missclick no pré flop digo 😀
Sarsante: Deve ter rolado foi um missclick do cara que deu call no shove hahahahaha
Edit: Missclick no pré flop digo 😀
depois do missclick não tem como foldar
Autor original: adahylgarcez.
