Skill vs. luck vs. chance 2- Comment 1

Anderson0001: I posted a discussion here in the same thread about how poker skill can affect the moment a player is going through, whether it's luck or bad luck.

But why the luck factor? If I'm lucky I don't need skill, because I'm winning by playing anyway. Believe me, you do, because you have to know how to get the most out of that moment and be profitable, because one day luck runs out, right? It shouldn't last the whole tournament. There's basically no such thing!

But bad luck seems to be more uncontrollable. And I'm not talking here about bad luck in just a few hands, it's the kind that seems to haunt you and happen all the time, making you even leave the tournament. To understand what I'm saying, I want to cite the case of a big stack in the WSOP Main Event who suffered 6 bad beats in a row, leaving with top cards and losing in an overwhelming way! He was in a state of shock (too bad I couldn't find the video showing the scene to show you here).

But here I'll show you a case of a bad beat that knocked a player out of the 2010 WSOP. Check it out (it's a compilation of several cases):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUg9APgc_oI

Let's remember this: Luck is part of the poker skills package, and it's an item we can't control. In poker, you can control a hand depending on the bet, a bluff and so on. But when we go all-in on a hand, we have no control over the outcome. As an example, an AA can lose to a 720.Pair of AA's winning is not a rule any more than a zap is the highest in truco.

That's why poker is a dynamic game. Because it's not enough simply to have skill and to play well and even strategically. That doesn't give you any guarantees, it just increases your chances.

Can you imagine how boring it would be if the skilled player always won? What would it be like for newcomers?

So basically what should I do to get along in a situation of constant bad beats?

A basic decision is to take a break! That's right, a day, a week or even a month. It depends on the phase a player is going through.

I say this because when we lose too many games, our confidence drops. This changes the way we play and we start to fear new situations. Perhaps we become more insecure and less aggressive when a QQ or KK comes up. This creates a negative point in the brain. So taking a break helps to erase that bad phase from your mind.

Another thing that helps a lot is to start having small achievements again. However insignificant they may be, they help you regain confidence in your ability to play!:happy34:

LeoVitorGT: I posted a discussion here in the same thread about how poker skill can affect the moment a player is going through, whether it's luck or bad luck.

But why the luck factor? If I'm lucky I don't need skill, because I'm winning by playing anyway. Believe me, you do, because you have to know how to get the most out of that moment and be profitable, because one day luck runs out, right? It shouldn't last the whole tournament. There's basically no such thing!

But bad luck seems to be more uncontrollable. And I'm not talking here about bad luck in just a few hands, it's the kind that seems to haunt you and happen all the time, making you even leave the tournament. To understand what I'm saying, I want to cite the case of a big stack in the WSOP Main Event who suffered 6 bad beats in a row, leaving with top cards and losing in an overwhelming way! He was in a state of shock (too bad I couldn't find the video showing the scene to show you here).

But here I'll show you a case of a bad beat that knocked a player out of the 2010 WSOP. Check it out (it's a compilation of several cases):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUg9APgc_oI

Let's remember this: Luck is part of the poker skills package, and it's an item we can't control. In poker, you can control a hand depending on the bet, a bluff and so on. But when we go all-in on a hand, we have no control over the outcome. As an example, an AA can lose to a 720.Pair of AA's winning is not a rule any more than a zap is the highest in truco.

That's why poker is a dynamic game. Because it's not enough simply to have skill and to play well and even strategically. That doesn't give you any guarantees, it just increases your chances.

Can you imagine how boring it would be if the skilled player always won? What would it be like for newcomers?

So basically what should I do to get along in a situation of constant bad beats?

A basic decision is to take a break! That's right, a day, a week or even a month. It depends on the phase a player is going through.

I say this because when we lose too many games, our confidence drops. This changes the way we play and we start to fear new situations. Perhaps we become more insecure and less aggressive when a QQ or KK comes up. This creates a negative point in the brain. So taking a break helps to erase that bad phase from your mind.

Another thing that helps a lot is to start having small achievements again. However insignificant they may be, they help you regain confidence in your ability to play!:happy34:

Excellent point!
Poker, love it or leave it! It's this dynamism that fascinates me.

As for taking a break, yes, but if you have good emotional control (a rarity), it's worth lowering the stakes to regain confidence in your poker-playing knowledge.

VIVÃO: I don't like the advice to take a break for those who want to take it seriously, the bad phase is one of the components of the winning game, withstanding the blows, I always like to relate it to boxing, you go in there and take a few jabs, you come out all broken and you take a break, you don't develop, you have to take care of your psychology and go for it... always with class and strategy.

For those who are only recreational, you can take your time.

Anderson0001: I don't like the advice to take a break for those who want to take it seriously, the bad phase is one of the components of the winning game, withstanding the blows, I always like to relate it to boxing, you go in there and take a few jabs, you come out all broken and you take a break, you don't develop, you have to take care of your psychology and go for it... always with class and strategy.

For those who are only recreational, you can take your time.

In this case, the post is aimed at recreational players.
I'm sure that professional players, live players and players who make a living from poker know how to deal with this issue very well. Stopping doesn't make much sense to them, since they have their breaks and play for less time than the regulars and manage to win more than the same!

Good point! That's it!

DonVitche: Hi, Anderson0001

I really enjoyed your post, congratulations!

But as for this thought: "I'm sure that professional players, live players and players who make a living from poker know how to deal with this issue very well", believe me, they don't. In fact, I don't think anyone can deal with it very well. In fact, I don't think anyone can deal with it very well.

One thing I'd like to point out is that everyone who plays a lot of tournaments realizes that there's no point in playing when you're tired, bored, sleepy, having personal problems, with low esteem, etc., because the cards don't match up and you'll only get bads even with the best hands.

Why is that?

I particularly believe that our mind, IN SOME WAY STILL UNKNOWN BY SCIENCE, influences the environment.

I've intentionally highlighted the above statement in capital letters because I imagine that science lovers like me will tend to disagree. I know there isn't much evidence for this, but if anyone disagrees BY EXPERIENCE, please feel free to express your opinion.

That's exactly why our beloved forum exists.

Hugs!

Anderson0001: How are you DonVitche

Thank you for the compliment!

I mentioned the case of professional players, lives and those who live the sport as players who know how to deal with the situation, in the sense of knowing how to do it! Putting them into practice is difficult. It involves emotional control. At the time, you probably forget everything you know, which is why tilts are famous. So I say they know how to handle it because they've studied a lot about it (including psychology and behavior at the tables) and their experience will give them an advantage in these situations. At least the advantage of not sinking like many novice players and some recreational players do.

It's like you said yourself "... everyone who plays a lot of tournaments REALIZES that there's no point in playing when..."
Then the question may arise: "Why am I losing so much?" Is it tiredness? Am I sad about something that happened? Did I have a fight with my brother or am I playing badly? It's at this point that if a player wants to continue doing well, he has to take a break so as not to lose his mind! Then it depends on the time situation. A day? A week? A month? Going a long time without playing can have a plausible justification. For example, the death of a loved one! It's not absurd to go a long time without playing. It doesn't affect anyone's ability to play, with the exception of newcomers (because they haven't started to get to know the game).

I didn't play for six months. I was going through a terrible phase and it did me a lot of good! Hence the reason for the post!:happy34:

Thanks for commenting!!!

Original author: Anderson0001.

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