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VIVÃO
28-05-2013, 13:55
Tenho jogado Stud ultimamente pq to dando aquele tempo de tilt no holdem.. alguem tem algo a comentar? os viloes pagam tudo.. to treinando a parte de slow e fast play..

PokerStars Hand #99229398015: 7 Card Stud Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2013/05/28 12:40:36 BRT [2013/05/28 11:40:36 ET]
Table 'Kressida II' 8-max
Seat 1: goodlucky168 ($12.44 in chips)
Seat 2: ricag ($59.38 in chips)
Seat 3: ipukewin ($28.85 in chips)
Seat 4: xgxg520 ($9 in chips)
Seat 5: VIVÃO ($59.43 in chips)
Seat 6: Erheldig ($25.07 in chips)
Seat 7: Egolstka ($19.18 in chips)
Seat 8: xenia ($26.82 in chips)
goodlucky168: posts the ante $0.15
ricag: posts the ante $0.15
ipukewin: posts the ante $0.15
xgxg520: posts the ante $0.15
VIVÃO: posts the ante $0.15
Erheldig: posts the ante $0.15
Egolstka: posts the ante $0.15
xenia: posts the ante $0.15
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to goodlucky168 [Ac]
Dealt to ricag [Ks]
Dealt to ipukewin [As]
Dealt to xgxg520 [Jh]
Dealt to VIVÃO [Th Ts 8h]
Dealt to Erheldig [Qd]
Dealt to Egolstka [9s]
Dealt to xenia [Js]
VIVÃO: bets $1
Erheldig: folds
Egolstka: folds
xenia: folds
goodlucky168: raises $1 to $2
ricag: calls $2
ipukewin: folds
xgxg520: folds
VIVÃO: calls $1
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to goodlucky168 [Ac] [Qc]
Dealt to ricag [Ks] [7h]
Dealt to VIVÃO [Th Ts 8h] [6c]
goodlucky168: bets $1
ricag: calls $1
VIVÃO: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to goodlucky168 [Ac Qc] [2h]
Dealt to ricag [Ks 7h] [2s]
Dealt to VIVÃO [Th Ts 8h 6c] [Jd]
goodlucky168: bets $2
ricag: calls $2
VIVÃO: calls $2
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to goodlucky168 [Ac Qc 2h] [4h]
Dealt to ricag [Ks 7h 2s] [Qh]
Dealt to VIVÃO [Th Ts 8h 6c Jd] [7d]
goodlucky168: bets $2
ricag: calls $2
VIVÃO: calls $2
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [Th Ts 8h 6c Jd 7d] [7s]
goodlucky168: checks
ricag: checks
VIVÃO: bets $2
goodlucky168: calls $2
ricag: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VIVÃO: shows [Th Ts 8h 6c Jd 7d 7s] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
goodlucky168: mucks hand
VIVÃO collected $25.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26.20 | Rake $0.80
Seat 1: goodlucky168 mucked [Kc Ad Ac Qc 2h 4h 3c]
Seat 2: ricag folded on the River
Seat 3: ipukewin folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: xgxg520 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VIVÃO showed [Th Ts 8h 6c Jd 7d 7s] and won ($25.40) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 6: Erheldig folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Egolstka folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: xenia folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

okerStars Hand #99228423994: 7 Card Stud Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2013/05/28 12:17:28 BRT [2013/05/28 11:17:28 ET]
Table 'Kressida II' 8-max
Seat 1: goodlucky168 ($19.15 in chips)
Seat 3: dafengche ($98.42 in chips)
Seat 4: HIdalgo1970 ($34.88 in chips)
Seat 5: VIVÃO ($42.38 in chips)
Seat 6: bosside ($41.31 in chips)
Seat 8: xenia ($36.16 in chips)
goodlucky168: posts the ante $0.15
dafengche: posts the ante $0.15
HIdalgo1970: posts the ante $0.15
VIVÃO: posts the ante $0.15
bosside: posts the ante $0.15
xenia: posts the ante $0.15
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to goodlucky168 [6s]
Dealt to dafengche [3d]
Dealt to HIdalgo1970 [9h]
Dealt to VIVÃO [5d 2h 5h]
Dealt to bosside [2s]
Dealt to xenia [6h]
bosside: brings in for $0.40
ricag joins the table at seat #2
xenia: raises $0.60 to $1
goodlucky168: folds
dafengche: folds
HIdalgo1970: calls $1
VIVÃO: calls $1
bosside: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to HIdalgo1970 [9h] [5s]
Dealt to VIVÃO [5d 2h 5h] [2d]
Dealt to xenia [6h] [7s]
HIdalgo1970: checks
VIVÃO: bets $1
xenia: raises $1 to $2
HIdalgo1970: calls $2
VIVÃO: raises $1 to $3
xenia: calls $1
HIdalgo1970: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to HIdalgo1970 [9h 5s] [4d]
Dealt to VIVÃO [5d 2h 5h 2d] [5c]
Dealt to xenia [6h 7s] [Jh]
VIVÃO: bets $2
xenia: calls $2
HIdalgo1970: folds
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [5d 2h 5h 2d 5c] [6c]
Dealt to xenia [6h 7s Jh] [Jd]
xenia: checks
VIVÃO: bets $2
xenia: calls $2
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [5d 2h 5h 2d 5c 6c] [4c]
xenia: checks
VIVÃO: bets $2
xenia: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VIVÃO: shows [5d 2h 5h 2d 5c 6c 4c] (a full house, Fives full of Deuces)
xenia: mucks hand
VIVÃO collected $24.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $25.30 | Rake $0.80
Seat 1: goodlucky168 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dafengche folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: HIdalgo1970 folded on the 5th Street
Seat 5: VIVÃO showed [5d 2h 5h 2d 5c 6c 4c] and won ($24.50) with a full house, Fives full of Deuces
Seat 6: bosside folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 8: xenia mucked [Ks Kd 6h 7s Jh Jd 6d]

okerStars Hand #99228373092: 7 Card Stud Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2013/05/28 12:16:14 BRT [2013/05/28 11:16:14 ET]
Table 'Kressida II' 8-max
Seat 1: goodlucky168 ($19.45 in chips)
Seat 3: dafengche ($98.72 in chips)
Seat 4: HIdalgo1970 ($35.18 in chips)
Seat 5: VIVÃO ($32.15 in chips)
Seat 6: bosside ($39.54 in chips)
Seat 7: 2playahand ($11.43 in chips)
Seat 8: xenia ($36.86 in chips)
goodlucky168: posts the ante $0.15
dafengche: posts the ante $0.15
HIdalgo1970: posts the ante $0.15
VIVÃO: posts the ante $0.15
bosside: posts the ante $0.15
2playahand: posts the ante $0.15
xenia: posts the ante $0.15
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to goodlucky168 [Kh]
Dealt to dafengche [Qc]
Dealt to HIdalgo1970 [Ac]
Dealt to VIVÃO [7s 8s Th]
Dealt to bosside [Qs]
Dealt to 2playahand [Ah]
Dealt to xenia [9c]
xenia: brings in for $0.40
goodlucky168: folds
dafengche: folds
HIdalgo1970: folds
VIVÃO: calls $0.40
bosside: calls $0.40
2playahand: raises $0.60 to $1
xenia: folds
VIVÃO: calls $0.60
bosside: calls $0.60
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [7s 8s Th] [9d]
Dealt to bosside [Qs] [2c]
Dealt to 2playahand [Ah] [4s]
2playahand: checks
VIVÃO: checks
bosside: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [7s 8s Th 9d] [7c]
Dealt to bosside [Qs 2c] [6s]
Dealt to 2playahand [Ah 4s] [Qh]
2playahand: bets $2
VIVÃO: raises $2 to $4
bosside: folds
2playahand: raises $2 to $6
VIVÃO: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
2playahand: calls $2
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [7s 8s Th 9d 7c] [Jc]
Dealt to 2playahand [Ah 4s Qh] [Kd]
2playahand: bets $2
VIVÃO: raises $2 to $4
2playahand: calls $0.28 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.72) returned to VIVÃO
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [7s 8s Th 9d 7c Jc] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VIVÃO: shows [7s 8s Th 9d 7c Jc 2h] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
2playahand: shows [As 4d Ah 4s Qh Kd 5d] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
VIVÃO collected $24.21 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $25.01 | Rake $0.80
Seat 1: goodlucky168 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dafengche folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: HIdalgo1970 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VIVÃO showed [7s 8s Th 9d 7c Jc 2h] and won ($24.21) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 6: bosside folded on the 5th Street
Seat 7: 2playahand showed [As 4d Ah 4s Qh Kd 5d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 8: xenia folded on the 3rd Street

Mr. Reis
28-05-2013, 14:25
como não manjo de stud, minha unica indicação é converter as mãos :)
facilita pra galera.

VIVÃO
28-05-2013, 15:01
tsc.. nao consegui encontrar um conversor .. chegando em casa vou procurar...

DiogoSapo
28-05-2013, 15:41
VIVÃO...

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VIVÃO
28-05-2013, 15:51
Opa.. valeu diogo, é que o formato de Stud é meio diferente... por exemplo a mão inicial voce recebe 3 cartas... o conversor nao suporta :happy34:, valeu por tentar ajudar..

Burn
02-07-2013, 17:36
Vivão, tenho uns dois anos de experiencia em Stud. tenho alguma leitura (correta?) dos vilões, a seguir:
mão 1: Ricag tinha flush draw, pagou até ultima street, não bateu, foldou.
Goodlucky saiu com AA, e se for donkey padrão, acha que AA em stud é = a HE. E foi pagando...até pq ja tinha saido um A na 3ª street.
Mão 2: Xenia com par inicial, acerta o segundo par ( JJ) e acha que tá nuts...ainda + se avaliou suas cartas abertas e não viu que trinca de 6 era dificil.
Mão 3: Vilão tinha AA, acerta outro par e faz runner pra full, fica pot commited, vc snapa ele. Se estou no lugar dele e vejo suas abertas, e dando raise, eu largava.
Na minha humilde opinião, vc jogou certinho as 3 maos, tem muuuuito donkey em stud, que acha que 2 pares valem muito, e que jogo FLimit pode ir pagando pq é "apenas + um pouquinho".
Stud 7 cartas é como Omaha: tem muita odds, jogar com trinca por valor já é perigoso, imagina 2 pares, 1 par, broca...

Burn
02-07-2013, 17:38
Ah, e não conheço conversor de mãos para Stud e 5 card, mas calculadora de odds tem...

VIVÃO
02-07-2013, 18:11
Opa.. burn... ja to envolvidissimo no stud... pretendo seguir firme no joguinho, to só reavaliando a situação da gerencia de banca.. pois é limit.. entao , pode ser que nao preciso ser tão tight.. ,

Conhece algum outro site que tenha uma boa movimentação como tem o Stars?, eu hj nao passo dos 0,50/1 pra nao sofrer muito com a variancia..

valeu o tempo gasto analisando as maos :happy34:

Julio Kenji
02-07-2013, 18:48
Que tal Boom?

sjscapital
04-07-2013, 22:43
Que tal Boom?
Boom não funciona pra Stud e variantes.
Bom, não sou reg. mas gosto muito de Stud e variantes, recomendo conhecer Razz e Stud H/L. Suas mãos a minha humilde visão foram bem jogadas, porém tome cuidado com pares pequenos, com 22 55 você betou e tomou a volta, as chances de estar atras ou ser passado eram consideráveis, portanto observe as cartas dos oponentes e se lembre delas, posteriormente pode ser determinante pra seguir na mão ou foldar ou até mesmo pra colocar pressão em um vilão que aposta com um par amostra que já não oferece oportunidade de trincar ou algo mais.
Sim existe uma quantidade considerável de donkeys em Stud, jogadores acostumados a ação do Omaha ou a pouca quantidade de cartas do Texas, porém tem uns alemães e soviéticos que se tu não ficar esperto eles te tiram até seu avatar.

Ah, já ia esquecendo, não inventa com "slow play", se tem cartas boas aposte (de trinca pra cima caso não haja muito oponentes ou alguém com cartas muito suspeitas), se está muito atras observando as cartas a mostra, não tente blefar, pois muitos vilões vão pensar como o Burn disse muito sabiamente acima, "apenas + um pouquinho" e vão te pegar com as calças na mão.

VIVÃO
04-07-2013, 23:32
Obrigado meu camarada.. alem de boas dicas tem bom gosto pra time...

Tenho tido bastante sucesso no stud.. e hj jogo com pares baixos pra trincar até a 4 carta... que é onde o jogo fica serio.. se nao trinquei ja foldo.. jogo bem tight e com mãos com bom potenciais pra flush e straight.. eu nao curti o stud hl.. fico chateado em ter uma baita mao e empatar com uma mao zuada... o Razz eu jogo quando estou jogando HORSE,

valeu as dicas ;)



PokerStars Hand #100980502528: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.04/$0.08 USD) - 2013/07/04 20:31:59 BRT [2013/07/04 19:31:59 ET]
Table 'Susilva V' 8-max
Seat 1: rfedthegoat ($2.81 in chips)
Seat 2: trapacius ($1.21 in chips)
Seat 3: NNBzzzz ($1.63 in chips)
Seat 5: tbug1204 ($0.76 in chips)
Seat 6: Mariorbm ($4.66 in chips)
Seat 8: VIVÃO ($2.85 in chips)
rfedthegoat: posts the ante $0.01
trapacius: posts the ante $0.01
NNBzzzz: posts the ante $0.01
tbug1204: posts the ante $0.01
Mariorbm: posts the ante $0.01
VIVÃO: posts the ante $0.01
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to rfedthegoat [4s]
Dealt to trapacius [Jc]
Dealt to NNBzzzz [8d]
Dealt to tbug1204 [Td]
Dealt to Mariorbm [Ks]
Dealt to VIVÃO [9d 9h 9s]
rfedthegoat said, "he calling himself names"
rfedthegoat: brings in for $0.02
trapacius: calls $0.02
NNBzzzz: calls $0.02
tbug1204: folds
Mariorbm: calls $0.02
VIVÃO: raises $0.02 to $0.04
rfedthegoat: calls $0.02
DaFeverXX joins the table at seat #4
trapacius: calls $0.02
NNBzzzz: calls $0.02
Mariorbm: calls $0.02
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to rfedthegoat [4s] [Kh]
Dealt to trapacius [Jc] [8s]
Dealt to NNBzzzz [8d] [8h]
Dealt to Mariorbm [Ks] [Jh]
Dealt to VIVÃO [9d 9h 9s] [Qd]
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
NNBzzzz: checks
Mariorbm: checks
DaFeverXX leaves the table
VIVÃO: bets $0.08
rfedthegoat: folds
trapacius: calls $0.08
NNBzzzz: calls $0.08
Mariorbm: calls $0.08
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to trapacius [Jc 8s] [8c]
Dealt to NNBzzzz [8d 8h] [Js]
Dealt to Mariorbm [Ks Jh] [Ts]
Dealt to VIVÃO [9d 9h 9s Qd] [3s]
trapacius: checks
NNBzzzz: checks
Mariorbm: checks
VIVÃO: bets $0.08
rfedthegoat said, "molaka"
trapacius: calls $0.08
NNBzzzz: calls $0.08
Mariorbm: calls $0.08
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to trapacius [Jc 8s 8c] [2d]
Dealt to NNBzzzz [8d 8h Js] [6s]
Dealt to Mariorbm [Ks Jh Ts] [2h]
Dealt to VIVÃO [9d 9h 9s Qd 3s] [4h]
NNBzzzz: checks
Mariorbm: checks
VIVÃO said, "nobody folds"
77_MaVeriK_ joins the table at seat #4
VIVÃO: bets $0.08
trapacius: calls $0.08
NNBzzzz: folds
Mariorbm: calls $0.08
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to VIVÃO [9d 9h 9s Qd 3s 4h] [3c]
rfedthegoat said, "nope"
trapacius: checks
Mariorbm: checks
VIVÃO said, "even knowing they are losing"
VIVÃO: bets $0.08
trapacius: calls $0.08
Mariorbm: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VIVÃO: shows [9d 9h 9s Qd 3s 4h 3c] (a full house, Nines full of Threes)
trapacius: mucks hand
VIVÃO collected $1.26 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.30 | Rake $0.04
Seat 1: rfedthegoat folded on the 4th Street
Seat 2: trapacius mucked [Jd 5h Jc 8s 8c 2d 5d]
Seat 3: NNBzzzz folded on the 6th Street
Seat 5: tbug1204 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Mariorbm folded on the River
Seat 8: VIVÃO showed [9d 9h 9s Qd 3s 4h 3c] and won ($1.26) with a full house, Nines full of Threes


Como pode notar desci bem de nivel pra nao sofrer muito com a variancia

sjscapital
05-07-2013, 00:06
Faz muito bem Vivão, continue nessa caminhada e está certo, é bom diversificar, mas teu porto seguro tem que ser na modalidade que se sente confortável e bem, mantenha controle de bank, continue estudando seu jogo e foco.
Realmente modalidades que o pot costuma "splitar" podem ser muito frustrantes. Boa sorte nas mesas e sucesso.