Poker is growing in popularity in Brazil, and we hear more and more people asking these questions.
“But isn’t it illegal?!
“Isn’t poker a game of chance?”
The (il)legality of poker.
As an official expert report from the São Paulo Criminalistics Institute clearly explains, poker is a random game and does not depend exclusively on luck, only on the distribution of the cards. From then on, bets are made on the real or fictitious value of the cards. Reality or fiction depends on the player's skill, especially as an observer of the opponent's behavior, sometimes quite sophisticated, extracting information from it that leads him to conclude whether or not the opponent is bluffing.
It is no coincidence that poker players are often said to be bluffers. In turn, this opponent may be adopting certain patterns of behavior, but in a cunning manner, that is, in order to bluff as well. For example, when he is doing well, he may appear insecure so that his opponent will increase the bet, or when he is doing badly, he may appear confident and sure so that his opponent will fold. In short, it is a game of mathematics and behavioral psychology.
Thus, in principle, it cannot be considered a game of chance, and therefore a crime, as understood as “the game in which winning and losing depend exclusively or mainly on luck” (DL 3.688/41, art. 50, “a”). In fact, there are poker championships.
Betting games – cash games
A possible problem, in this case, at least at this moment, is of a different nature, it concerns betting, cash games, not tournaments where the player pays a certain amount (entry) and receives a symbolic number of chips, with the one who accumulates all of them by the end of the tournament being crowned champion, receiving a cash prize, or any other material good.
From a legal perspective, gambling, and therefore a crime, is “a game in which winnings and losses depend exclusively or mainly on luck” (DL 3.688/41, art. 50, “a”). Therefore, the meaning of the Law cannot be reversed, interpreting it as gambling when winnings and losses do not depend exclusively or mainly on skill. It is the opposite. What cannot prevail is the luck factor, and not the skill factor, that is, all games or sports in which the skill factor outweighs the luck factor are not considered gambling by law, and are therefore permitted.
Regarding illegal bets, article 814 of the Civil Code states: “Debts from gambling or betting do not require payment; however, the amount voluntarily paid cannot be recovered, unless it was won through fraud, or if the loser is a minor or interdicted. § 1º – (…). § 2º – The provision contained in this article applies, even in the case of non-prohibited gambling, except for legally permitted games and bets. § 3º – Prizes offered or promised to the winner in competitions of a sporting, intellectual or artistic nature are also excluded, provided that the interested parties submit to the legal and regulatory provisions.”
Firstly, the law does not require the loser to pay the bet when it is illegal gambling. However, if someone gambled for money, lost, and paid the lost amount, they cannot seek legal recourse to the Judiciary to seek the refund of the lost amount. The law makes a reservation that allows the amount lost and paid to be recovered in court when the loss is caused by fraud, that is, when the winner uses deceitful means to win, popularly saying, cheating in the game. Another reservation is made by the law that allows the loser to recover the money paid. This is the case of minors and interdicted persons, understood as interdicted persons who do not have full civil capacity, that is, the insane and those declared by court order. Note that §3 of the legal article cited above does not consider as prohibited the prizes offered to winners of competitions, such as poker tournaments.
Having made these clarifications, it is therefore necessary to distinguish between prohibited gambling, non-prohibited gambling and legally permitted gambling. Betting is only permitted in legally permitted games, such as lotteries in general. Considering that poker is not a prohibited game because it is not a game of chance, and considering that it is also not legally permitted, that is to say, there is no law that authorizes it, as there is in relation to the various lotteries, it is a non-prohibited game; therefore, betting, gambling for money, is prohibited, and here is the problem. What is prohibited is the betting, not the gambling. This is a case of illegal betting, that is, onerous betting between the players, not illegal gambling.
Thus, it is concluded that everything that is not legally prohibited is permitted. If there is no law prohibiting poker in Brazil, since it is not considered a game of chance, since it depends more on the player's skill than on luck, it is said that it is a game that is not prohibited. The crux of the matter is here, the game for money, not the tournaments, but rather the poker tables where the bets are loose, you can lose R$ 10,000.00 in a single round, while in the tournament, you paid the entry fee and are looking for a final prize, but your loss is conditioned on the value of the entry fee.
And at this point, it is important to emphasize that the prohibition of gambling is not due to fear of ruin for the players, but rather the impossibility of the Government to monitor the winnings obtained in such games, the fiscal purpose of the prohibition, the lack of control structure. Unlike tournaments where monitoring is easier, since the value of the final prize and who the winners are literally known.
I don't believe there will be a ban on poker tournaments, but Poker Associations that allow cash bets within their headquarters should be careful, as they may be breaking the law.
As for online betting, the doubt remains.
Update (2024): Brazil has approved a law that legalizes sports betting and casino games, without mentioning poker directly. This is still a matter of discussion, but the trend is that online poker will be considered legal, since even casinos have been authorized.
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Man, I really liked this article, and about the end “In Brazil, the gambling modality of poker is prohibited. Brazilians who practice this modality via the internet are not committing a criminal offense here in Brazil, and subject to penalties?” about this I think not considering that the hosts are outside of Brazil, and we are only connected to them through the network.
Hey guys, if anyone can clarify this for me, it will help me a lot.
I read the whole text and understood a little, I'm a bit slow and I want help
I would like to know if, from what I understood in the end, online poker does not impose penalties on Brazilians?
because we can say that I play to survive
It's like any other job and it's not a game, it's my livelihood.
I've already managed to pay half of my law school by PLAYING HARD
Now I find out that, let's say, 'stealing' via the internet is allowed. I want to know if it's really allowed?
if you have no jurisdiction over this,
because I think if someone sees this kind of theft, they will say it is immoral
but it's like I say: 'IMMORAL is to let an idiot keep your money'
Thanks in advance if anyone can enlighten me…
Rounders…
This is not a law from São Paulo or any other state, poker is considered a game of chance and Brazilian law prohibits any game like that, the website says the deck is random and such, but it's easy to say, the legal thing would be for other companies, not just one, to confirm this, is it strange that it's prohibited in the US because they can't play there?
It is complicated for Brazilian money to leave the country without paying taxes, because I pay my taxes, and the favoritism in cards for those who have more chips is notorious, only those who don't want to see it don't see it... now there is the law that prohibits this type of game.
DECREE-LAW No. 9,215, OF APRIL 30, 1946.
Prohibits the practice or exploitation of gambling throughout the national territory
The President of the Republic, using the power conferred upon him by article 180 of the Constitution, and
Considering that the repression of gambling is an imperative of universal conscience;
Considering that the criminal legislation of all educated peoples contains precepts tending to this end;
Considering that the moral, legal and religious tradition of the Brazilian people is contrary to the practice and exploitation of gambling;
Considering that, from the exceptions made to the general law, abuses harmful to morals and good customs have resulted;
Considering that the licenses and concessions for the practice and operation of gambling in the Federal Capital and in hydrotherapeutic, seaside or climatic resorts were granted on a precarious basis and may be revoked at any time:
DECREES:
Art. 1º The validity of article 50 and its paragraphs of the Law on Criminal Offenses (Decree-Law No. 3,688, of October 2, 1941) is hereby restored throughout the national territory.
Art. 2 This Law repeals Decree-Laws No. 241 of February 4, 1938, No. 5,089 of December 15, 1942 and No. 5,192 of January 14, 1943 and contrary provisions.
Art. 3 All licenses, concessions or authorizations granted by federal, state or municipal authorities, based on the laws now revoked, or which, in any way, contain authorization contrary to the provisions of article 50 and its paragraphs of the Law on Criminal Offenses, are hereby declared null and void.
Art. 4 This law shall come into force on the date of its publication.
Rio de Janeiro, April 30, 1946, 125th year of Independence and 58th year of the Republic.
Poker is not described as illegal or a game of chance in any law. Is Truco prohibited? It is a game with much more randomness, and we see tournaments happening all the time. The big live poker tournaments are all authorized in advance by authorities in Brazil. If you have had bad results, you should study game theory a little more, and understand that in the long run, the good player is successful. But the bad player loses money in the long run, of course.
The animal, you didn't read what I said above, the game is not a game of chance, you'll be stupid in hell
But what is the mega sena, isn't it a game of chance? Doesn't it just depend on luck? Or is it because the government sees what it wants to see or is not under the law?
Mega Sena is a game of mega-chance, because it is random and the vast majority only dream of getting rich and lose their hard-earned money, but the government thinks it is above the law. But somehow they use part of the money to finance university education and other “little things”, if you know what I mean.
Regarding poker: I never won anything with Mega-Sena, but with poker I did, I earned 5 times the money invested and “made” the supermarket. And when they say that we send money abroad without paying taxes: I can say that when I “made the supermarket” I left more than 30% in taxes there, for sure…
If poker is not considered gambling, how then can we consider this game that absolutely destroyed my marriage, leading my husband to play addictively? Spending nights and nights awake playing in poker houses? What game is this then that leads people to spend all their money? In my opinion, bingo can also be a great destroyer of families and is this then considered gambling? Shouldn't our Justice system think differently about the game of Poker?
Marta, I am sad to read your statement. The truth is that any game can be addictive, even if it is not gambling. I have seen people get lost with other types of games. I have seen several people have problems due to addiction to the financial market. If poker ended your marriage, it is because your ex-husband lacked maturity when dealing with gambling. I recommend that you read the following article, in which I discuss this issue in more depth: https://pokerdicas.com/forum/avisos-noticias/2528-responsabilidade-equilibrio.html
Good afternoon..
I have the following question...
I like the game and I play whenever I can. I am a businessman and I was invited to be part of an existing “house” where one of the partners is leaving the country. As a businessman, I see the business with good eyes as long as it can be treated like a normal business, like I treat mine, advertising my products and work. Can I advertise the holding of tournaments? I know they are “documented” but I don’t know what this documentation is. I know that the documentation is non-profit. I really want to join this company, but I would like to clear up these doubts first and even get some technical help with the matter.
Can you help me in any way? Because I'm afraid of getting into trouble with my "commercial aggressiveness". I want to make a guaranteed 20k with billboards spread around the city. LOL
I will be grateful for any kind of information.
I don't think poker was the main culprit for the end of your marriage, much less that bingo is a family destroyer. Besides the fact that poker doesn't depend exclusively on luck, no one is forced to play, and if your husband would rather be playing poker than being with you, maybe the problem is with you or your attitude.
What an opportunity you missed to keep your “mouth” shut, huh? Discuss the topic as an adult, not as an irresponsible child… “the problem is with you”… How frivolous, my God… Jeez! Grow up, creature.
Marta, that was the most $%&## comment I've ever heard about poker in my entire life. If your marriage ended, it was for N reasons and not because of the game. If that were the case, let's ban football, beer, groups of friends in bars, etc., etc., places and activities that are notably frequented by married men with good, long-lasting marriages. Wake up and take responsibility for your attitudes and behavior.
The issue of gambling, regardless of whether it is a matter of chance or intellectual capacity, is not the issue of the problem.
The problem in question is gambling, easy, immoral money, which wipes out the wealth of an entire family due to the addiction of one of its members. Gambling, whether it is a game of chance or not, is irrelevant. In my opinion, no gambling (in theory) should be prohibited, but “betting”, like any other means of easy money, should be subject to severe fines. How to monitor this is another matter.
Those who control addictions are the participants themselves. In the case of poker or even other games like the simple 1 real lottery, they are very addictive. If people do not set a daily usage limit, it is not the game's fault. It is sad to see a family destroyed because of any addiction. However, when a person becomes attached and addicted to something, it is because there is something missing to fill that gap, and many people only find this in gambling, alcohol, or smoking.
Marta, the championship game where you win a pre-established amount is allowed because you bet only one amount and, if you lose, it is the value of the bet. Did you read the article?
Marta, I'm so sorry for your loss.
but I must disagree with you on some aspects.
Firstly, the game of poker was granted as a mental game joining chess and in the next Winter Olympics there will be poker.
Speaking of games, most are unfortunately addictive and many end up destroying families, but this comes from the person and I hope you don't hold a grudge against poker because it is a game that I make an exception for not only because I am a practitioner of the sport and live off it financially, but also because not only I but also the International Olympic Committee (IOC).
Maybe you will answer me in the following way
– You say that because it wasn’t your life that was lost to poker!
I would answer;
You're right, my life wasn't destroyed by poker, but by slot machines.
Unfortunately, I had 3 people from my family who completely sank into this game.
Even though this is a game that the player always loses, I don't blame the game, but rather the player who is playing.
Unfortunately, her husband was a compulsive, bad and addicted gambler.
sorry for those words but they are the most correct.
I studied poker for 5 years, I don't own the truth but I know what I'm talking about.
Today I live solely from poker, at home and via the internet.
I come to you to ask you not to be angry with those who are not to blame.
At no time did I intend to offend you or your husband, I'm just telling the truth.
But I believe that as he had the capacity and strength, especially to end a relationship with someone he loves and had children, he will have the capacity to fight to give the best for them.
I wish you good luck, and may God be with you.
Unfortunately, compulsive people, without control over themselves, can lose a lot, and as mentioned there, poker is not a game of chance, because it depends on the skill of each player, so your husband must not have one of the best. The important thing, in everything today, is the dosage.
There are several freeroll tournaments where people don't need to bet anything and practice their skills, where the only danger is to win some money in it. If you can't win a tournament like that, which is only attended by people who don't want to bet money and are mostly beginners, then why enter a paid table? This is called stupidity, trying to win a game without learning it first. I've seen several people spend a lot of money trying to enter public competitions without studying. Do you know when you'll enter? When you're very, very lucky, then thinking like that, it's better to stay at home betting on the mega sena, lol.
Well, regarding marriage, like Marta, it didn't end because of poker.
I have been married to a poker player for 6 years. He makes a living from it. I spend nights and nights with him in poker houses and we are still investing to open our own.
and poker is not a game of chance but of skill, if you as a wife can't handle poker, my advice is to join it, you will have fun in the end.
But don't think that your marriage is over because of this, because this is such an easy thing to solve.
Living off poker is great, have you ever thought about working?
I agree. I have friends who don't even eat or sleep playing social poker... people who have already blown up their credit cards buying chips... People who have ended marriages by fooling themselves with virtuous people who you don't even know if they are a man or a woman.
Similarly, there are people who have the same problems playing other virtual games, such as World of Warcraft and similar, or even farming games on Facebook, among others. The problem here is not poker but rather the person's mental balance.
The problem is that your husband is playing thinking it is a game of luck or chance and that is why he lost everything. His name here is fish. Poker is a game of skill.
My dear…
Poker is skill…..
Only people who don't know poker yet lose money...
Since her husband didn't know much about the game, and probably didn't study it, he was the one who profited from the other players...
The most important step is to know how much you can spend and what you don’t need…
From then on, you can play calmly, because if you lose, it won't matter.
Ask your husband to study poker a little more and then go back to playing!!!!
Good studies to him and good luck!!!!
Yeah, now it's the game's fault, not your husband's.
Don't blame gambling for the man's mistake. If your husband was unbalanced, what is gambling's fault? If a simple game was enough to drive him away from home and end the marriage, in my opinion, your marriage was weak and, as has already been said, lacked maturity. No one forced your husband to go and play; an "addiction" is a physical or psychological problem that is specific to the person. In other words, if it weren't for poker, it would be just another excuse for you and your husband not to accept your own failure. Poker is a serious sport and should be practiced by mature adults who are aware of their actions, that is, people who take responsibility for their own actions and faults. Blaming others is what children do when they make mistakes.
when an individual becomes addicted to something, we immediately claim
The problem is not poker, but your husband's lack of control. Gambling was just the icing on the cake... The problem is not you, but him... Too much of anything is bad... alcohol, sex, sugar, medicine, everything... The secret is to set limits when pleasure turns into sadness, and it's a bad thing. The secret is to ask for therapeutic help, and don't go around looking for someone to blame... Long live poker.
I imagine that your husband used to gamble for money and was very aggressive, relying too much on luck. I used to be like that, but now I'm more moderate. I don't gamble for money, I only play in tournaments. I'm on a streak of bad luck where I'm only getting bad cards. The worst ones imaginable. But I keep to myself, I act smart every now and then, and I win chips to stay at the table, while people with better cards fall, one by one. In the bad phase I'm going through, I never lose, I always play 1.50 to win 2.00. A profit of 0.50 cents. For me, it's great, I don't want to make money, I just want to have fun, and my winnings have allowed me to play for free and still have some spare change, without having to spend absolutely anything to keep playing. If it were a game of chance, with the bad cards I get, I'd be ruined. Since it is a game of skill, patience, analyzing opponents and knowing how to control aggression, I have been in the running while a lot of lucky players with high cards are eliminated. That is why I believe that poker is more about skill than luck. Legalized games like Megasena, Lotofacil, scratch cards, etc. are games of chance. It is absurd that the government allows this and wants to combat poker.
Very cool your perspective JR.
Your example of winning with bad cards while your opponents are being eliminated with good cards is proof that Poker is indeed a game of skill and a lot of strategy, especially in tournaments where you need to be very disciplined.
Hugs!
The problem is not the game, but the player, who has a weak mind, lacks self-control, and is addicted to gambling. Regardless of the game, he will find someone who will take all his money. Poker is like your life. You cannot risk your money and you win over a month, in a single night, or even in a single hand. You must play according to the money you have AVAILABLE, controlling it so as not to run into variance. You must study so that your game evolves. You cannot lose your patience, even if something happens that makes you angry, and so on.
Marta stop being crazy because if he loved you he wouldn't have left you damn it
I do not approve of this game
Get to know the game better, Carlos, and you'll see that it's a great opportunity to make friends, exercise your mind and learn good lessons for your life. Check out our forum and get to know the real face of poker: a community of normal, hard-working people who enjoy the game and enjoy learning about it.
Like everything in life, excess is what causes harm. Poker does not make anyone addicted or broke, it is people who do. In my case, I have been playing poker for a year and I am profitable, I don't think I am that lucky. Learn more about this game and you will see that it is a matter of skill and not luck.
Look Simão, don't think you're so lucky because everything that goes up can
fall too, today you are making a profit but from one moment to the next you can
sink too, don't play with your luck OK!
What you say would be true if poker were a game of “luck”. Poker is a game of mental skill and so on… The skill of playing poker is not in always winning, but in minimizing the loss of defeat and maximizing the profit of victory. If you want to know how, read about it.
First of all, I would like to congratulate Marcelo-PD for his commitment to spreading poker as it should be seen.
Well, it's been about two years since I discovered SPORTS (that's right, I consider poker a SPORT, and since I discovered it I haven't found another way to define it). Since then I've only been evolving as a player and as a person, because by seeking more information on the subject, I learn many things that make me play better and, why not say, make me live better. For example: to be a good poker player it is essential to have a broad perception of your opponents. This made me stop being a selfish person. Before, I didn't listen to opinions that differed from mine. Today, I can respect them. Perhaps for many people it's an insignificant thing, for me, it's an achievement. For this reason alone, it would be worth it to have discovered this fascinating SPORT.
Finally, I would like to leave two messages, one for Ana and one for Marta:
Ana, I don't know what your view on poker is, but just like in life, poker gives us the freedom to be whoever we want to be. While some want to be professional players and win millions in big tournaments, others learn the game just to spend a few hours in the company of nice people having a little fun, so:
“Do it, if you want to do it.
Use it if you want to use it.
Leave if you don't want to stay.
Walk, if you don't want to run.
Do everything, absolutely everything
but just everything
Whatever you want to do”
a hug.
Marta, when I read your comment, I could see a great deal of anger in your words, and don't think that I'm going to take away your reason, be angry, yes, but don't be angry with something that in fact didn't cause you any harm.
In the eyes of a thousand people the same cloud can have many shapes, however
in the same eyes a cloud is always a cloud.
Far be it from me to be rude in my comment, but I cannot end without first telling you that your opinion on poker is based on a very superficial way. Unfortunately, your ex-husband had an even more superficial view of poker,
IF there is still enough time and LOVE for you to try to help him, do this.
and if necessary, learn to play with him, of course if you want, who knows, you might be able to help him see poker in a different way.
Just to finish, have you ever thought about spending an all-expenses-paid weekend in the Caribbean, enjoying the beauty of a paradisiacal beach with your husband, accompanying him to an important stage of the WSOP (the biggest poker tournament in the world) without having to spend a cent? Yes, it is possible. How? Make peace with your ex-husband and look for this answer together.
a hug!
Ualace, your text is really cool. Join our forum!
I am very honored by your invitation Marcelo, but my work has taken up a lot of my time during this end of year period. I am a waiter in a new restaurant that has opened here in the city where I live, I work at night, sometimes staying up until the early hours of the morning, during the day I have to rest.
But even with the lack of time, I will make an effort to contribute to the growth of the site, poker in Brazil depends on intelligent and enterprising people like you.
Thank you for the invitation and congratulations on the initiative!
POKER REALLY MUST BE A GAME OF GLANCE.
I HAVE ALREADY PLAYED US$40 THOUSAND IN TOURNAMENTS HAVING ALMOST U$$ 16 THOUSAND IN PROFIT.
REAL PROFIT!! I STARTED WITH US$40 AND I HAVE ALREADY MADE US$16 THOUSAND IN PROFIT.
HOW TO EXPLAIN???
READ ABOUT POKER, GET INFORMED AND THEN SEE WHAT GAME OF GAMBLING REALLY IS.
GAMBLING IS A LOTTERY WHERE YOU PAY, DON'T WIN AND STILL DON'T SEE THE BENEFITS OF YOUR TAXES PAID.
Game * Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A ITM ITM
Hold'em NL $40,335 $15,878 65% $3.93 1664 23% 780/6219 13%
I don't consider poker a sport. That's clear to me. Just as I don't classify chess as such.
I put both in the category of games that require intellectual capacity.
Poker does have its element of luck. In the long run, it is reduced to statistics. But yes, it exists.
But I think it is far from being considered a game of chance. For me, a game of chance is one in which you have no influence on the final result, such as bingo, roulette, or slot machines.
Poker is fascinating because it brings together both luck and skill.
It is a shame to see cases like that of our friend Marta. But this is inevitable and out of control. We cannot condemn a practice because of the misuse of some players. Just as we cannot prohibit the use of cars because of the accidents they cause.
I just wanted to say that before taxing something, we should be aware of what it is.
Your point of view is very cool. Note that the whole discussion about whether it is a sport or not is just semantics. The Houaiss dictionary itself provides two definitions for the word “sport”, one relating to athletic competition, and the other relating to a simple skill competition.
Good morning everyone. I have a question: I understand that there is a debate about the legality of using online poker sites. Regardless, assuming a person wins USD 10,000, how is this money taxed in Brazil?
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It is taxed as earnings in foreign currency and abroad. This can be declared via Carnê-Leão monthly. We will soon have an article about this.
I would like to ask a question. I play with friends in a closed room at the club where we are members. The game is played in a closed room with a bet of R$ 20.00, because what is important to us is not the financial factor but rather the socializing with friends. Can this be considered a misdemeanor? Can the board prohibit the game?
If the game is friendly and no one profits from commissions, etc., there is no problem. Of course, being in a club can generate distrust. The ideal is to keep the game only among your closest friends and not invite too many people. The more people, the more it will seem like someone is exploiting the game, which is prohibited.
Playing with friends is the best thing ever, very relaxing… Completely different from playing with strangers, where there is a stronger atmosphere of rivalry.
Goodnight
I'm doing a school project and would like some information:
What are games of chance?
Which of them are illegal?
How do you legalize a game? If possible?
]I would really appreciate the response
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Article 50 of the law on criminal offences, third paragraph:
Gambling is not illegal. What is illegal is to exploit gambling. Gambling can only be exploited with government authorization. Logically, playing with friends without exploiting gambling, that is, without charging commissions, is not illegal.
Marta, I read your statement, and Marcelo_PD's response, and he is completely correct, currently, I am 21 years old, let's say I am “addicted” to games in general.
I played several types of games that can consume the money of someone who is unbalanced, or who has a tendency to spend what they shouldn't on games, games that are certainly really about chance, as they don't produce any future profit, just and only expenses, all this to have a prettier character, or to win more duels that in the end only make you known and more people angry with you.
Anyway, today I'm playing poker, I started less than 2 months ago, I participate in Freerolls (games with profits in real or fictitious money without registration fee) where I've been learning and even making profits without spending money, and I feel much better than spending my money where I don't make profits.
I don't regret playing the other games, because now I have friends not only in Brazil, but people all over the world.
Conclusion: It's not poker that makes you lose money, it's you yourself. There's no point in me, a beginner, wanting to play against the best in the world and still having the audacity to want to make big profits. The beginning is always the worst in anything. The most important thing is to know when to stop. If you've lost or lost your concentration, put poker aside, go read a book or an article, talk to someone who has more experience, and take tips from someone who is already more familiar with the sport. POKER IS FUN THAT CAN MAKE YOU FINANCIALLY ENRICH AND EVEN RICHER IN FRIENDSHIPS.
Marcelo PD
Could you answer a question I have?
I want to take Poker as a job, I play almost all types of games, and now I'm thinking about creating a gaming house, and also having tournaments on Sundays, remembering that there will be games of chance, I wanted to know if there is a law against gaming houses, like chess, Poker, video games, billiards and card games, and if there is, what can I do for my gaming house that is legal?
As for poker, it's a murky situation, since in this case you would be exploiting the game. Exploiting gambling is a crime. It's true that we don't consider poker to be a game of chance, but the police don't make a distinction between poker, roulette, bingo, etc.
Theoretically, you could get a precautionary injunction against poker-related charges if you can convince the judge on this point. Even then, you would run the risk of having your injunction revoked after a while.
I understand what you say.
But that's not how I'm going to take poker. Poker will be one of the games that will be there. No game will have a bet in the hall. The person will only pay the entrance fee. After paying the entrance fee, they can choose any board game they want to play with their friends. Poker is among those games. That means that if they pick up poker to play, they will play with their friends normally, as if they were at home. The store has nothing to do with the game. There will be no bets. It would be as training for them or to pass the time with their friends. Marcelo PD, did you understand what I said? That's what I wanted to know if there is still a law against it.
If they only pay the entrance fee to the hall, I think it would be fine. But if they play with their own money there, even if you don't get a commission, if the police come they won't want to know. Unfortunately, the police have acted arbitrarily in these cases, in some cases even raiding homes where friends are gambling. Other times they demand bribes. It's a shame, but this has happened.
A safer way is to ban cash games and only play tournaments, with a set day and time.
Yes, you are right about the police, and I will also put up a sign warning that cash or betting is prohibited inside the hall, and regarding the tournaments, yes, there will be in the hall, I will not put money as a prize, the person who wins the tournament takes home a poker case, that way I help all of you spread Poker in Brazil, and I also want to get rid of this image that people have against Poker.
I have a question: if it is forbidden for people under 18 to enter the salon, if I also sell alcoholic beverages, even though the sale of alcoholic beverages to those under 18 is prohibited in the salon, the idea is to make people relax and forget about their daily lives, the salon will not be based on alcoholic beverages, but there are people who like to drink while gambling. If I put alcoholic beverages in my salon, even though it is not a bar, would it be forbidden for people under 18 to enter the salon?
I would like to know if playing cards, whatever it may be, in public or at home, by minors is a crime.
There is nothing to prevent minors from playing cards, whether at home or in public. What is not permitted is gambling for money, in gambling houses, for example. Domestic, family or friend games are not subject to this prohibition. However, it is obvious that minors are considered incapable by law, so they do not have total power over their money. Therefore, I understand that parental consent would be required.
Some friends and I want to organize a regional poker tournament (tournaments in several cities). I have doubts about the legality. Would there be any problems? Do I need to do it in a specific club with a license to play? The idea was to do it in a friend's pizzeria, would there be any problems with that?
Regarding advertising, would there also be any problem (poster, poster)?
Thank you. Hugs.
Will you profit from the venture or is it just between friends? If it is just between friends, you wouldn't have to worry. If it is for profit, I suggest you talk to the people who promote BSOP and look for this information.
Poker cannot and should not be considered a sport because it is addictive. I am 8 months pregnant and my husband had to be hospitalized because of this crap game. I had to start therapy and the psychologist told me that there are many guys who are dropping out of college and distancing themselves from friends and family because of this game. They talk about skill and study. My husband has read dozens of poker books, watched poker every night in the dead of night and played every day. You can be sure that he knew the techniques and knowledge. I saw him lose to a pair of Aces, a pair of 5s, with a pair of threes on the river and many other similar plays over and over again. You could say that he is very unlucky. And don't tell me that in the end, you don't need to be lucky. You do. This is the problem of this decade, which is slowly coming to an end. There are already more than 3 channels that show games every night and there are tournaments all over Brazil. Be very careful if you are just starting out, because it is a fascinating game and you are very lucky at the beginning. My family was ruined by this game, our savings were gone, we are in debt and my daughter may be born without her father. Once again, BE CAREFUL.
Sorry to say but your husband is an anxious fish and $%@&%!!!!
Poker and Sport yes!!! Use your head like chess, you have to have strategies!!!!!!!
See how it works then judge!!!!
The luck factor in poker is zero in the long run. Your husband's problem is that he was a bad player. Even if a person studies poker hard, if he is not smart enough, he will not learn enough to be profitable. That's life.
He may not be a bad player, but it's clear that he doesn't understand anything about bankroll management. With proper management, it's impossible to go broke this way.
I'm going through this where are you from?
can we talk a little?
Patricia, I was saddened by your comment because I know very well what you are going through. As I have already written, I separated from my husband and divided our only savings in time to provide a better future and some security for my two children. This game is really addictive, you can be sure, and only people like us who suffer have seen the misfortune that this game can cause. Unfortunately, here in my city, more and more gambling houses are appearing every day, leading husbands in particular to abandon their homes and families to live in these damned gambling houses. As you can see in the other comments, the most favorable ones are the regular visitors to these places. We rarely see women abandoning their children and husbands at home to spend nights and nights away from home playing and leaving their families in ruins. Those who defend these games should think twice before publishing their defenses about this game. I would also like to say that Brazilian law should impose more supervision on these gambling houses, because you and I know that all of this is a practice of gambling, as the houses are making a lot of profit at the expense of these poor people with bad minds who get involved in this “as you said” crap of gambling. Kisses and good luck to you, because that is what I am doing, getting my life back with my children and, best of all, with a lot of dignity.
martha…
I play several card games, such as Tranca and Poker, but I only play among friends and without any value, or with mystical values, for example R$ 1.00. I agree with you that gambling is addictive and destroys families and homes... for me, it should be banned.
Good luck..
Fabio Fernandes
Dude, everything is addictive, not just games. So we have to ban Coca-Cola, beer, cigarettes, everything that is good for you and gives you adrenaline is addictive. So it depends on each person's maturity, because no one can be blamed for someone getting addicted to something. We have to be mature enough to realize when we are getting addicted. Her husband thought it was more "fun" to play than to spend time with his family and didn't realize that it was ruining his marriage, if it wasn't already ruined. My cousin got addicted to an online pool game and almost lost his college degree because of it. Was it the game's fault? Of course not, it was his fault because he had no control over the game. When something is too good, it will always become addictive, but we have to control ourselves and if we don't have control over the "thing" we have to give it up, because there are certain things that are not for everyone. That's it!!!!
I wanted to post a comment here, I've been playing poker for two years, but I've never invested a single real, I play on sites that only play with fake money, I participate in tournaments, I love playing, but even so I play 2 or 3 hours a day at most, and some days I don't play at all.
And of course, if you leave everything behind to dedicate yourself to poker, it's not a good idea.
But as I was saying, I've been playing for two years now and I've only been playing for virtual money, to train and see if it really pays off or not, and I'm noticing that as the days go by I'm getting further in the tournaments, almost always with some virtual money prize.
When I'm better, I'll invest some money and let's see what happens, about 20 or 30 reais, I'm not going to sell my house or put my entire salary in, that's stupid. And if I lose it, that's all.
But I would love it if in Brazil there was a way to evolve more in poker, since it is a strategic game where the best players win, and those who train and study the game, mathematics and psychology.
*The proof of this is that in tournaments the best players are always in the prize money or even at the final table.
*Now can anyone tell me who won the Mega Sena twice, or even in bingo.
I'm sorry for anyone who was harmed by the game, but rest assured that the game is not to blame, but rather whoever is playing and how they are playing.
First of all, I would like to congratulate you on the article. The way it was presented was very enlightening. I am passionate about poker, and despite being a beginner, I can say that I will be playing poker as long as I live.
I see this game as a way to exercise knowledge of the human personality and with that we can apply it in life in general, such as at work, family, etc.
I play cash games with my friends every week, with a buy-in of R$ 10.00, and I think that I am investing this amount to have some pleasant moments. No one aims for profit and therefore no one suffers a loss.
I've seen a lot of people have a hard time watching football games, even betting on matches, both in bars and stadiums, and that doesn't mean we can label football as something negative.
Congratulations to the site for the articles and tips and to all those who use it to intelligently discuss topics related to poker.
Dear Patricia Naves.
While reading about the legality of poker, I read the same statement of yours on another website related to the subject and I also read another excellent answer given to you by a moderator. For those who are reading my post, basically the answer given to Patrícia is that you can't blame poker for a person's weaknesses and vices. Her husband could have used poker, chopsticks, spit from a distance, or even become an obsessive compulsive eater, because what he has is a disease and anything in this world could have affected or triggered this disorder.
Let's take the following situation. About 101% of Brazilians (according to news from the Globo TV network's Fantástico program) have serious problems with alcoholic beverages. This is the case of people who abandon their families, spend everything they have on alcohol, attack their relatives, etc. Following Patrícia and Marta's logic, would it be fair to ban all alcoholic beverages in this country??? Would it be fair to punish the other 901% and take away their power to decide whether or not to consume what they want, just because of the 101% who do not make good use of alcohol?
Returning to the poker example, would it be fair to prevent thousands of other players who play poker for leisure, study and even as a profession from using it because only a tiny percentage of people do not know how to make good use of this game?
I'm sorry, Patricia, but your persecution of Poker on various forums is already irritating me and causing indignation. I think you should see a doctor to treat your husband and find out the root of his problem. Have you ever considered that his obsession with gambling could be related to some frustration he has in life? Poker is just a way he found to release his compulsion, but it certainly wasn't poker that turned his brain into an addict.
Marta and Patricia, I don't want to be rude, but maybe they went looking for something in the game that they didn't have at home. As I said, see a doctor and don't come with this fabricated litany... I've seen weak-minded people give everything they had to churches because they became religious fanatics. Are we going to ban faith in our country because of these cases?
Stop being an imbecile LUIS, your defense is just a gambler's talk, a man has to take care of his family, his children, have some leisure time, everything has a limit, the guy is always playing cards and is an addict and you still come to condemn him! Damn it, go get help, damn it!!!!
I am outraged by these comments
I would like to know,
If I make a deposit via the internet here in Brazil at any bank in national currency (REAL) of R$$ 20.00, to buy chips on the POCKERSTAR website (which transfers to the account $ 11.00 DOLLARS) and participate in the games via the internet, is it allowed regarding the tax procedure in Brazil? AND IF I WIN THE SAME $ 11.00 DOLLARS, DO I HAVE TO INFORM THE BRAZILIAN INSPECTION?
HUGS THANK YOU.
All income must be declared on your income tax return. This includes income from poker, which is declared as foreign currency earnings. Just remember that anyone who earns up to R$1,500 per month is exempt from paying income tax.
Well, I'm going to tell you something. This entire text is correct, showing that poker is a game of skill and not of chance. If it is a game of chance, explain to me why there are always the same faces at the final table. A game of chance is the lottery that everyone plays like an idiot. That's right, I don't play poker, I humiliate people.
I am the wife of a poker addict, and I am learning to become addicted too. I advise all women who think that poker is interfering in their marriages to play with their husbands and stop being prejudiced. Poker is a sport, isn't there any luck when a player hits a ball kicked from the middle of the field in soccer? How many marriages have gone downhill when husbands said they were going to play a pick-up game, but in reality the pick-up game was with another woman and not a soccer match. I remember the day that I, still with a prejudiced view, told my husband that I was worried about him playing, afraid that he would become addicted. He smiled and said that was exactly what he intended... Today our marriage is great and I play games at home without money until the early hours with my husband and friends. Incidentally, today he no longer goes out drinking with friends, the fun happens here and with me. Thank you, Poker. Now, if your husband takes money out of the house to gamble, drink, spend on unnecessary and superfluous things, party hard and get into debt, then the problem is different. Now, if he stops buying you an expensive and superfluous gift to have fun at a poker club, I suggest you join in too. The problem is that many friends get upset because their husband spent a hundred reais in a poker club in a month instead of buying a new bag, a piece of jewelry, or some other superfluous item. If you think your partner is spending too much, suggest that he only play in tournaments. If he is getting into debt, take him to the doctor, but don't blame poker, just as no drink is to blame for alcoholism, not to mention that alcohol is a drug. Poker is gambling. Now, if the problem is the fact that your husband didn't buy the last bag, didn't pay for your relaxation, your hip reduction surgery, etc., then the one who needs treatment is you, not him.
Hello, I really liked the article and ALL the comments. I'm a beginner in poker and I have a degree in civil engineering (I know the word PROBABILITY well). I would like to talk a little about technique for Patricia Naves and Marta. I was impressed that Patricia said that she got tired of seeing her husband losing with a pair of Aces to a pair of 2s that made threes. Speaking only through probability, I assure you that it wasn't because of this that your husband had problems with poker. Think carefully about the comments that were against you ladies. Look closely at these conditions. Your husband Patricia has 88.49% against his opponent's 11.51% (whether he has a pair of 2s or any other, which already shows that you don't know the game as well as you think because even if his opponent had kk, the chance of making threes would also be 11.51%). Which means that he wins about 88 out of every 100 hands played in this situation. All the Things in our lives are governed by probability, it exists in the fact of whether or not we are struck by lightning, whether or not we have a sick child (which increases in unions between relatives, due to the fact that both are prone to the same diseases, even if it does not develop in the parents, in the child this probability is much greater), whether or not we choke, it normally does not happen but it is possible, I hope I have clarified to you a minimum of the strategic part related to mathematics (one of the most important), add to it the psychological part and the position at the table and of course luck and you will have a very exciting game, with my little experience I distribute the following percentage of importance of the skills:
Mathematics 40%
Psychological 30%
Position at table 20%
Lucky 10%
the sum of these skills makes anyone a winner in poker in a game, you also need to know how to control your bank account. I imagine that someone who loses a lot of money playing poker only has one reason: THEY PLAYED AT A TABLE THAT DIDN'T MATCH THEIR ECONOMIC REALITY AND THAT'S IT. Someone who receives a minimum wage of R$510.00 should commit to an average of R$7.00 per month. Those who receive more can commit to more. Should we stop having fun because it costs money?
Guys,
I understand that your position is to defend the game, since you are fans of it.
They all seem intelligent and have some academic training. Therefore,
I'm sure you're aware that every enjoyable game brings pleasure and becomes ADDICTIVE.
Our media has been bombarding us with poker, treating it as
“Olympic sport” (I totally disagree!!!!)
In a short time we will have a mass of players of this “noble Olympic sport”
in financial difficulties, families destroyed, good professionals harmed by gambling.
TOTAL BAN, EVEN UNDER THE “PRETEXT OF CHAMPIONSHIP” NOW!!
I hope my future grandchildren can have a more promising vision.
of the time they will live in compared to the time in which I live.
Enough gambling, violence, drugs (legal and illegal), impunity and corruption.
Our kind writer has gifted us with a pleasant hermeneutical text,
interpreting our legal system, clearly, with the aim of defending the game.
We must be careful, it is not the only version of the facts, of reality, of truth and of life.
What we are spreading now will bring many tears to many families,
many mothers, wives, husbands, daughters and sons will feel the enormous weight of the game's hand,
Maybe some of your families feel the weight of it, maybe they don't.
Many families will feel it, for sure!
Let's defend what we believe in responsibly.
Thank you for kindly allowing me to use your space.
If you wish to contact: [email protected]
Wagner
Some people kill their families and the families of others by driving recklessly on the highways of our country. How about we ban the use of automobiles?
Some people eat too much, become obese, clog their arteries, suffer from high blood pressure, diabetes, and die because of it. How about we ban the consumption of food?
Could the problem be in Poker?
I apologize to the ladies in this post, but:
-No one is forced to enter a lottery house and play 5.00 in the mega sena
-Nobody is forced to play at Bixo
-No one is forced to eat chocolate
-No one is forced to drink cachaça
-No one is forced to smoke marijuana, cigarettes, etc.
-No one is forced to marry (by a man or woman)
-No one is forced to be unhappy. (or happy)
-NOBODY IS FORCED TO PLAY POKER!!!
I ended up forgetting:
Addiction (from the Latin “vitium”, meaning “fault or defect” [1]) is a repetitive habit that degenerates or causes harm to the addict and those around him or her. The term is also used in a mild sense, often leaving an indication of its full meaning. For example, chocolate addict.
It's in the dictionary.
Hello, I have a question:
I play weekly with my friends, the game format is tournament, that is, the total money in the 'pot' is divided only between the first two placed.
Players pay R$10.00 for a certain amount of chips at the start of the game.
So far, I understand that everything is within the law.
The question is: re-entry is allowed up to a certain time limit set by the participants only if the participant has no more chips and, theoretically, there is no limit to re-entries up to this time limit, that is, the player could enter with as many chips as he wanted, as long as he lost all the chips before paying for a new one. But in practice this never happened. No one could spend R$ 10,000.00 because it would be mathematically impossible to lose 1,000 times within one or two
or three hours (the player would have to lose 5.5 times per minute).
So re-entry is allowed?
Grateful.
We currently believe that no form of poker is a game of chance, but society is still undergoing a process of adapting to this concept.
It has long been known that home games are allowed under any rules, as long as there is no exploitation of the game. In other words, if the home team is not charging for the match, no problem.
times is with z
I play and my husband has the same concerns that the “wives” here are demonstrating. But my opinion is simply this: I only bet what I know I can lose without any problem. This includes my time, of course! Following this rule, there is no problem in studying and practicing poker.
People get addicted to sex, food, exercise, drugs, cars (some people spend a fortune on their own cars), they even get addicted to trying to make others jealous and buy things they can't afford, getting into huge debts. The problem is the addiction, not the object of the addiction.
People even get addicted to visiting internet forums to post the same old opinions about everything. Some people are even addicted to Orkut. The opinions of these two ladies are an example. Why come here and say what they said if they knew from the beginning that no one would support their opinions?
Neither of the aforementioned women said what they do or have done to deal with their problems (I wonder if they have done anything), and they didn't even say what they tried to do to end poker, which they swear is the big villain of the story. No, they don't take any action other than coming here to post, otherwise they would have said what they did. In other words, aimless chatter is indeed addictive and alienating.
Time is money, my dears. You are losing out in these little virtual chatterbox games of yours. Try to be more objective and take some action or shut up and find something more worthwhile to do.
Oops, I wasted some time here ashusahuashusahuashuas
But that's okay, I'm playing in a tournament right now and waiting for a good hand to enter. And here's my opinion to prove that poker is not a game of chance: I don't play with cards, I play with people.
Hugs and good luck to all of us!
Well, I believe that online poker games involve manipulation of the distribution of cards, favoring those with more chips, so that they can spin, end the tournament as quickly as possible, and start another one, so that the house wins 10% of the amounts collected. Well, is there an audit that analyzes the distribution of cards? With a good lawyer, I believe that it is possible to at least get compensation for damages or even fraud.... hugs
Yes, there is auditing, carried out by some of the most respected firms in the world. Each hand is recorded in hand histories, which the player can access immediately after the hand ends. With these histories, you could prove in court that there was manipulation, if the result did not follow statistical logic. However, no one has ever managed to find such manipulations – whoever found them would become a millionaire, right?
You probably don't know enough about poker yet. It's a game where luck doesn't play a role in the long run. But it certainly does in the short run. It's like the stock market – is it gambling? In the short run, your stocks may drop sharply. But good players win big in the long run.
And another argument: players who start very well online usually do very well in live games. If it were online manipulation, they would be terrible live, right?
And where and who are these firms? Do I have access to these hand histories to all the hands I've played over time? It's clear that when you find yourself with fewer chips, the site makes you leave the tournament. The faster the tournament ends, the faster another one starts and so on, another 10% to go home. There's no way not to notice. I'm not the only one who sees this, but how can I save all these hands? And if short-term luck, where is it characterized as a game of chance, where one depends on such... thanks.
Go to the poker room website, which has a section dedicated to security.
You have access to hand histories indefinitely, they are saved on your computer.
It's like I told you, if there is manipulation, you just have to take a large number of hands and sue them, and you'll become a millionaire! The problem is that no one has ever been able to prove it.
Obviously, I'm talking about reliable poker sites. Poker Stars, Full Tilt, Party are all listed on the stock exchange. Who would buy shares in such companies without having security?
Regarding the short term, I ask again: is the stock market a game of chance? Because in the short term it also depends on luck.
And to conclude, I can tell you that this type of questioning is only asked by those who are starting out in poker, or by those who don't have good results. Players who have been playing the game for some time laugh a lot when it comes to these conspiracy theories.
Note: Isn't it a game of chance? Well, I have kk, the guy with 5 and 4 of hearts, opens the 5... is it skill?
The 5 and 4 of hearts had a 23% chance. That's a better chance than rolling a "6" on a dice. As I said, in the short term, yes, luck can play a role. But in the long term, "skill" is paramount.
It's not me who says this, these are studies from universities and reports from renowned jurists, such as Prof. Miguel Reale Filho.
Hello, I have been reading all the comments and I wanted to draw your attention to an important point about the issue raised by Marta and especially by Patricia when she mentioned that her husband had all the knowledge in poker techniques, which is obvious that he did not. I say this because knowledge in poker does not only involve the techniques themselves, but also psychological aspects and above all “BANKBOARD MANAGEMENT”.
Certainly, if your lordships' husbands were balanced individuals, and well-versed in this important element of BANK MANAGEMENT, they would not have ruined their respective families.
Exactly Daniel.
If a person follows the concepts of bank management correctly, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE for them to go bankrupt!
This poker thing is really complicated. I've been playing for about 4 months, and so far I've only invested 30.00. Since I was starting out, I lost that money and I've NEVER invested a single real again. I think about the sacrifice to get my money and then spend it on a game. I discovered some sites that give you money (50.00) to play and I only play that way.
I'm not lying that it's tempting to bet your pocket when you hear about people who got rich, but I think that for me the only way to earn money is by WORKING!!!
Poker is not a sure money game. It requires a lot of dedication.
And you lost the money because you probably didn't follow bankroll management.
If a person studies the game, dedicates themselves and manages their bankroll, they will NEVER go broke.
Hello, very good. I have a question, I want to organize a tournament, do I have to obtain some authorization or can I just do it? Can I advertise it without any problems, posters, radio, etc.?
Junior, if it's a tournament between friends, there's no problem.
If it is a tournament with the objective of making a profit, contact CBTH to give you guidance on the matter.
First of all, I want to thank MarceloPD for clarifying doubts.
And I feel sad for these women who have husbands who are not just in the game but also in anything, so I don't agree with Marta and Patricia, the problem is not with POKER but with your HUSBAND or in some cases even with the WIFE herself at home.
My husband is an avid player who plays online poker almost every day. I can say that he is an addict, but a REAL addict. Three times he has entered with a minimum cash of $1,400 to play for money and whenever I can I watch him playing at the tables and tournaments. And that doesn't mean that our marriage is any happier or worse because of it.
And honestly, I like him playing much more than I like him walking around outside the house, after all, I know what he's doing. Like one time he played in a tournament that was worth an all-expenses-paid trip to Las Vegas and didn't win, so I watched him play the whole time for hours and hours and reached the final table and pocketed a sum of $350 dollars. Oh my dear, I want to see him claim a treatment at the beauty salon, a dinner all paid for by him and a wonderful night.
And even so, my Love never stops being there. Marcelo (Black) I LOVE YOU.
Marcelo, first of all, congratulations on the article. Enlightening.
Poker will always be an unknown in the minds of Brazilians, as it is not a native culture.
Skill or not. Addiction or not. Bad luck or not. To play or not. These doubts, here in Brazil, will always be inculcated in conversations about the game (poker).
The “Americans” already have this culture more deeply rooted in their lives, which is why it is considered the “cradle” of the game, where we learn to play poker at home, with our family.
But being Brazilians we have to reconsider these issues, so I came to the following conclusion: I consider myself a “non-compulsive amateur player”, that is, I have set limits, mine is $50/month, I stipulated this “expense” in my monthly budget under the item “leisure and fun” and it has not done me any harm, being a “homebody”, I really enjoy spending a few days a week in front of the PC practicing, studying, reading and why not? Playing poker. In some months I don’t even have this amount, because I have a “positive” balance and I have enough BR (Bankroll) to continue playing.
Addiction, in any sphere, is truly overwhelming and destructive, I do not condemn wives who are “wild” with poker, as poorly managed it can really cause damage, just like any other addiction.
I'll tell you my story:
My father sank into drinking (suffering 3 strokes) and playing pool. My mother did not condemn the owner of the bar, but rather sought psychological help for him, going to great lengths to rescue him from his addiction, without success. After the second stroke and his recovery from illness, my mother separated from him. A year later, the third stroke took him down completely (his entire right side was paralyzed). He can barely walk or talk. Today, my mother takes care of him. Even though they are separated, when I say care, I mean everything (food, clothes, cleaning the house, etc.). In short, it is a very bad situation. My mother and her current husband are angels and I am very proud of them, because I live far away and there is little I can do in this regard, since he does not want to leave where he is.
Having lived through this situation, seeing my father, an intelligent man, an excellent soccer player, an exceptional professional in the mechanical field, end up so debilitated, barely retired (my brother struggled for years to get his disability pension), perhaps it helped me deal with this problem with greater discernment. Perhaps it helped me “straighten” the line between fun and compulsion.
These are the situations we should question. What do we want from poker? Fun! Welcome. Let's play and have a good laugh. If it's to make money, my friend! I wish you good luck and lots of study, but be aware that it won't be easy, because it will be you against the world (Who doesn't want to make a lot of money? The last WSOP winner took home more than $6 Million, just to clarify what it means to make a lot of money).
I offer my encouragement to the wives, it really isn't easy to face something like this.
But don't go on a crusade against something you can't face. It won't bring back the money, the husband or whatever else you've lost. Instead, focus on helping them, seek help to get them out of this situation, show them the path they should take, only then will you be doing something useful for yourselves. Despite everything, they are the parents of your children, they share their upbringing with you, and never let situations like these compromise your children's future.
If my mother had given up the fight after her first defeat, she might not have raised children who were well prepared to face life!
Think about this and be with God!
Hi friend, I have 3 tables and I hold tournaments 3 times a week, what the hell happens if my neighbors
call the police only tournaments what do I need to do to stay legal a hug health and luck
If you charge commission and make a profit from it, then there could be a problem.
In this case you need to have a license.
In fact, we should pay more attention to online poker on Orkut, such as Vostu and Social Poker. People spend money to buy chips... but the only ones who really win are the owners of these applications.
It's very strange that those who spend money only lose, while others who have never spent 1 real are swimming in billions of chips.
The MPF should keep an eye on these applications and their respective owners.
Indeed. In these cases, supervision is not always as good as in online poker rooms.
Hey guys…
Hey Marta, what's next?
Sometimes what is good for one is not good for another, just like certain things in life... however, I think it is stupid of you to generally criticize this wonderful game and each one for me has only brought good things into my life...
Let me tell you a little about myself and I'm not ashamed to talk about certain things about my life....
example, I'm 25 years old today...
7 years ago I didn't even know about poker, my life was hell, several lawsuits
4 years ago +- I discovered the game and couldn't find a job anywhere because I had several processes and no one wanted to hire an employee with several processes and I don't take away the reason...
smoked like a convict….
I started playing and studying, and in a short time I was already paying my bills, helping my mother at home... I stopped smoking exactly because I stopped denying reality... that's what your husband needs to do, my friend, to stop denying reality...
I won entry to a world event for just 0.10 cents……..
not only perfect, quite the opposite, I have a lot to learn and evolve, but we all deny something about ourselves...
Today I make a living from poker and I'm much happier than I used to be. Furthermore, poker has taught me a lot of things both on and off the table...
I am very sad about what happened to you but I have to tell you...
THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME FOR OUR MISTAKES IS OURSELVES!!!!!!!
Big hug to the whole community
God be with you
Congratulations on the turnaround in your life, Rod. A good example for the guys who have a false idea of poker.
I play poker. In the past I played bicho, lotteries, sticks, bingo, dominoes, shuttlecock, hopscotch…
I've played everything, anyway! Poker and Chess teach you to reason and develop your cunning. It's just that some people are incapable of doing so and others are not. Gambling is to me what water is to life. I need to play, I feel the need and when I'm not playing, I'm definitely sad. Some people need to badmouth others, others need to eat too much, others need to go shopping and some need Viagra. I need poker, at least now, I need it. That's right, my Viagra is poker. When I bet I feel the adrenaline rush, when I go all-out I feel the emotion rush and those moments are sacred to my soul. Nonsense? Maybe, yes. Now what we need to make clear is that the problem of the gambler lies within himself. I, at least, am the problem. Because I need this, I need the emotions that gambling provides. I don't smoke, but I used to smoke. I don't drink anymore, but I used to drink. Who knows, maybe one of these days I won't even gamble anymore. I'm dead. That's it!!! There are few things that can give you satisfaction in life. Discover yours and make it alive and present. Your soul will thank you.
Very good article.
I have a question about online games.
At PokerStars there is a tournament mode, in which you pay the entry fee and, if you qualify, you receive the prize.
Even though it is online, do you consider it legal, just like in-person tournaments?
I ask because I am a civil servant and I am interested in entering these tournaments, but I am afraid that I will later be subject to legal action due to the illegality.
What do you think?
If you declare your winnings, there is nothing illegal about it. It is a tournament like any other.
Did you know that poker kills? Well, my friend, I witnessed someone having a heart attack. He was a 62-year-old man who bet big and lost practically everything. Do you know who won? Deep down, I regret having played that game. It seemed harmless at first. I won the game and lost the most important thing: my clear conscience. I have to take antidepressants every day. It's been 20 years since I picked up a card, not even as a joke. And I still have this nightmare. Every time I sleep and wake up, I end up having this nightmare. It's as if I had murdered that man. My final move was the most tragic one ever. I'd like to end by saying: Play wisely and never bet big with someone, because you never know what might happen!
HAHAHAHAHA…..
come on man, let's be real...
The object of the game is to take money from each other…right?
I bet more than he could, whose fault is it?
if you feel sorry for others or simply feel sorry
If you see someone lose, this game is not for you!
And what's more, would your opponent feel sorry for you if you lost everything?
typical statement from someone who doesn't play and lives the game!!!!
These types of statements only harm the vision of those who don't know the game.
So if it's not good for you, get out, don't criticize because I'm sure that for you
many is your livelihood!!!
Wow, I wanted to congratulate the site, the themes, the forum, etc. are very good…
very complete!!!!!
Abs to the whole community ae….
Stay with God…..
You're right Rod, the addiction is written all over your face, what can I do, right? So I apologize to the creator of the site, and to you Rod, I don't want to ruin your livelihood, I wasted my time typing and talking about what happened to me, but that's okay, hugs to everyone and stay in peace!
Daniel, did you know that football kills? We've seen cases of people who have had heart attacks watching their teams lose on television. Should we ban football because of that?
Your opponent probably had two problems: lack of control over his illness (which must have been advanced) and lack of control over his bankroll, playing with stakes above the recommended amount. Our article on bankroll management explains that you should not enter a table with a stake that you will lose! This is the basic rule! After all, poker is a long-term game.
Don't feel guilty about what happened. The player must have had enough problems already, he shouldn't have even sat at the table, especially with so much money. Unfortunately, it was a mix of misfortune and recklessness on his part.
Addicted to $$$$$
Wow, I would like to see how far Brazilians' ignorance and lack of information go. BEFORE YOU GO OUT THROWING STONES AT OTHERS FOR DOING AN ACTIVITY DIFFERENT FROM YOURS, TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT POKER AND SPORTS ARE ABOUT. GO TRY TO FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE ONLY FROM THIS AND ANSWER FOR YOURSELF: 100000000000000000000 PEOPLE ON THE PLANET LIVE ON LUCK AND BAD LUCK.
Poker is for the strong and balanced-minded. If you don't have these qualities, it's better to go play poker in the square, otherwise you'll get screwed... but that's up to each person. For example, I don't do sumo wrestling, otherwise I might get crushed to death. That's not why they're going to ban this fight.
Well, since the conversation here is good, I would like to clarify facts that everyone here must agree on:
– Poker is a game, and it is currently becoming a sport, and that is what is happening, after all, does anyone here think that the first time someone put a ball on the ground and kicked it was already considered a sport? We cannot forget that practically every sport is also a game (after all, the name Olympic Games must mean something) and every game that involves skill has the potential to become a sport.
– I hope that now those who still don’t understand will understand… poker is different from gambling, there’s no way to say that, and if you who are reading this disagree, I’ll send you a list of the best poker players and you can send me a list of the best bingo, slot machine or mega-sena players (as long as they are professional players who live off of that, cases of fraud don’t count).
– This one is for the woman who complains that her husband left home because of poker… you might think that, but I’m sure he left because you were annoying him.
– For those who can’t control themselves… the biggest online poker rooms have a tool called responsible gaming, you sit down with the person you think is out of control and establish a limit (but sit down and talk, any form of coercion will not have a good effect). After establishing the limit, you go to this area of the site (responsible gaming) and set the limits there (for example, the maximum that the person can deposit per month) and that’s it, after the person has deposited that amount, they can only make a new deposit the following month.
– For the young lady up there who said she spent 30 reais and doesn’t put any more money into any game… well, when I started playing, I went on vacation (about 6 months ago) and played for about 2 weeks only with virtual money (I should have waited longer). Then I deposited 60 reais and spent my entire vacation playing with that money. At the end of the vacation, I still had some left. I went back to work. After 2 weeks, I had nothing. I got a little discouraged and didn’t play for a while. To sum it up: with 60 reais, I had fun for a month and a half (even using bankroll management, I was really bad at playing only at limits of 0.02/0.05 and some MTTs. I ended up losing everything). It was actually cheap, considering that sometimes I go out at night and spend about 80 reais in a few hours. So fun costs money, no matter where.
– To the guy up there who thinks he killed the old man… You probably haven’t thought about it yet, but he was sick, he probably didn’t have a healthy life, guess what happens? (he dies), it wasn’t your fault at all, he had a weak heart, he could have been on the couch watching the end of the 8 o’clock soap opera and: “Oh my God, I can’t believe it, oh so much emotion, ………….oh my heart!!!!!!!!!!!!” so even if you didn’t exist he would have been dead 20 years ago.
– For the guy who said he has three tables and organizes the championships... just like Marcelo said, try to regularize your situation as quickly as possible, but if something happens in the meantime, you will be charged with the criminal offense that deals with the exploitation of gambling, and consequently with LAW Nº 9099/95 that deals with the special criminal court (JECRIM) which in turn establishes alternative penalties for criminal offenses and crimes with a maximum penalty of up to 2 years (by alternative penalty, in most cases, it is understood as: BASIC BASKET).
– For the women who support their husbands and/or play too… Congratulations, you know how to solve the problem and your husband is very lucky. Thank goodness my wife plays from time to time too =).
– And to the guy who makes a living from poker… congratulations, I’m so jealous, I wish I could make a living like that one day, I’m a civil servant, but I would love to have the freedom of schedules and places that a professional player has.
– To the site staff… congratulations on the great work, the site has excellent content and an active staff (Marcelo?) I have read many articles about poker, but I am lacking experience, with your help I hope to obtain better results one day.
– For those who liked it… hugs and good luck!
– And for those who didn’t like it… get in line!
I wanted to leave a message for Fábio, your speech is complete nonsense, you are very arrogant, stupid and especially rude when it comes to reporting to people who gave their opinions, you are not the owner of the truth, don't think you are smart, life has to teach you a lot of lessons, first educate yourself...
I really liked the subject, and I would like to clarify a few more doubts that I am almost certain about, for example: I am opening a bar where I want to put some tables for customers to play Poker, I was thinking about renting the tables, giving them the cards, chips, etc. everything necessary to play Poker, I would rent the table by the hour, so would that be legal?
Jefferson, in this case I don't think it would be wise. Look, whether or not poker is a game of chance is an intellectual debate. Poker houses have been winning in court, but the problem is that police stations still consider it a misdemeanor. So imagine what it would be like to be raided by the police? If you really want to do this, look for businesspeople who already work with poker to find out the procedures. The only thing I know is that the best thing to do is to meet with the police chief in your region and argue with him about it. If he is authorized, then it's fine.
READ CAREFULLY. I completely understand Marta's resentment and that of others (usually wives) who are hurt by poker. However, we cannot ignore each person's individual position, because life is made up of hits and misses, just like in poker. I have been playing poker for almost 3 years, and I have never had any leftovers, because when I win, I get the sack right away. I have learned a lot from poker and I continue to learn: I was an impatient (restless) man, so I started playing poker and today, my wife, when she sees that I am upset about something, tells me to play poker, so she sits next to me to control me, that is, when I receive two Aces (AA) and I want to go all in, she warns me to think better, observe the position I am in, the value of the blind, etc. Then I do better, not playing euphorically and winning good money. Marta, if you don't believe me, check the 888poker forum where I post my victories there. I was also a finalist in the Barrichello tournament, I came in 4th and had 3 spots to spend a weekend with Rubinho Barrichello at the golf club playing poker. At the time I was also irritated and found it frustrating, but I soon understood that someone had to win, so someone was happy where it could have been me. That way I could tell several stories of joy and victories in PokerStars, 888Poker, Everest, Full Tilt, Betboo and Party Poker. In fact, I have an account in all of them and play in all the freerolls and satellites, or invitations that I receive a lot, but I spend little and withdraw a lot to the point of creating an Entropy card to withdraw and spend. I took my end-of-year vacations on 2 beaches and traveled a lot because of poker, even though I know and am aware that I am a terrible player, I need to learn a lot. In November I will be retiring, so I intend to play as a professional, it depends on my wife's help to calm me down and train me in emotional control. I'll see you around on the Everest websites (AAAKKFULL) or others mentioned like (arnikol). Hugs to all and good profits.
Paragraph “c” of the same law states that betting on any other sporting competition is prohibited. If poker is a sport, then…
Exactly Luciano, you can't bet on poker results. Just like you can't bet on football results.
Betting within the game is nothing more than the mechanics of the game. Truco is the same thing, but instead of chips, they bet points.
But what if the betting site is located abroad?
It doesn't matter. If the action of betting on sports was done in Brazil, Brazilian law applies.
Complementing: I'm constantly watching an advertisement on Band about Sportingbet.
Dear friend, I am creating an online game in which a certain number of participants deposit a small bet amount and, depending on this number, they will find out the value of the prizes in each phase. The game is characterized as if it were a Russian roulette, where each participant eliminates another until reaching the final phase of the main prize, which will reach approximately 46% of the total value of the entire bet. From phase 3 onwards, the remaining players in the game will start to be awarded cash prizes, never in an amount less than the bet they initially made to enter the game. I would like to know if a game of this nature can be considered illegal. Everything is done in the open and the rules of the game are very simple.
Best regards, Claudio de Castro.
Claudio, this is clearly a game of chance, as only luck influences the outcome. In this case, you can only do it with authorization from CEF.
Could you tell me which organization this is, and how I can contact them to find out more details?
And thank you very much for responding so quickly.
Caixa Econômica Federal. It is unlikely to be approved, as I do not know of any online lottery game. But it is worth a try.
WHAT IS CONSIDERED A GAME OF GANG AND NOT A GAME OF LUCK. WHICH CLASS OF GAME DOES MEGA SENA FALL INTO?
A game of chance is one that depends predominantly on luck. Yes, Mega Sena is a game of chance, but it is authorized by the government. I don't have any more information about this authorization; you have to contact the government to find out. But if I were to make a suggestion, it would be to create normal games that are not games of chance.
Your explanation is very good.
Congratulations!!!
Let's go to the poker tournament.\
Hugs
Brazil is the fifth country in the world in deaths due to traffic accidents. Will eliminating cars in Brazil solve the problem?
For those who think that Poker is a game of chance that corrupts people, ending poker solves the problem.
It is REALLY necessary to end the view of Poker as a Game of Chance, the Livre Mercado Magazine, July/August edition, together with the Brazilian Poker Confederation of São Paulo, for the first time produced an excellent report that separates Poker from Games of GAMBLING and casinos.
The Magazine that circulates in ABC can, starting next week on the 8th or 9th, also be accessed electronically on the website http://www.livremercado.com.br or a copy may be requested from the editorial office
What can I say about drugs? Only those who want to go in!
I'm not against poker, but I'm fervently against any type of game that exploits other people's compulsions in search of easy money.
No poker professional makes money easily... First of all, anyone who makes a living from this certainly follows bankroll management (which tells you the amount you can play according to what you have in the cash register), this is the basics of the basics!! You have to study a lot about the game to be able to master it, as in anything in life... and the higher the amount, the better you have to be... and never stop studying so as not to be surpassed!!! You also have to work on your psychology and not let yourself be beaten by the luck factor that is part of the game!! In other words... no poker professional makes money easily... because becoming one is not easy!! If someone has always lost in the game and one day they hit a jackpot, it is better to stop... otherwise they will end up losing what they won!!
I don't know who Marta is, but millions of people have been through situations like this and it's easy to come here and say that her husband was unbalanced without being in her shoes.
Can someone tell me if truco is a game of chance?
Any game of money can become an uncontrollable addiction. Be it bingo, roulette, poker, etc., where the “luck” factor is present. If bingo and roulette are prohibited, then the law should apply to all these games.
Now, by this logic, should we also ban soccer? We pay for tickets, pay for cable TV, and buy expensive jerseys. Some people who earn minimum wage spend 40% of it to buy an official jersey. And in any sport there is a luck factor. Should they all be banned? The same goes for video games, Facebook games, and games like Magic. Out-of-control people lose thousands of dollars in these “addictions”. Should they all be banned?
An unpretentious question: If poker is not a game of chance and there is so much legal basis proving this in theory, why is it not legalized? Are jurists and legislators more insensitive than the lawyers who analyze this issue? Are they overzealous? I greatly respect all the points of view expressed here, I do not like any game that involves money and a pathological analysis of what leads a person to compulsion would be appropriate, without the simplistic explanations that always accompany those who are interested in legalization... I have other explanations that do not fit here... but something that does not produce anything good is already a counterpoint to its practice... forgive my sincerity.
Hello. Let's say I set up a space with a mini bar and put one or two poker tables, is that against the law? Let's say I charge about 5 reais for entry and only present documents proving that you are over 20 years old. I'm thinking about that.
This is a controversial case. If the government considers poker to be a game of chance, and you charge an entrance fee, you are exploiting the game, which would be a criminal offense.
Poker becomes more “illegal” because the government doesn’t receive tax on transactions. Of course, if they started paying taxes, I doubt they wouldn’t legalize it quickly. The government likes money in their pockets….hahahahahahahaha
Brazil is fucked up, it prohibits gambling, but what would the lottery be???? That's right, the lottery gives money to the government, so in Brazil only the government can open gambling for its own benefit... or better said to further enrich the corrupt politicians that we put in power. Long live Brazil and the gambling that only the government can open...
The funniest thing is that by law it is not possible to open any type of gambling in Brazilian territory, how can the government break its own law with lotteries? Can any lawyer explain this to me?
Gambling is something for the government and no one else. You are the government, so if you open a gambling house you will go to jail. You know what I mean, partner. If the good old days of the backlands colonels returned, these cliques of powerful, thin-tailed people would be dismantled.
It is not possible to criminalize people who play online poker on websites located abroad, places where this type of betting is permitted and legal. The Internet provides this possibility, because in fact, although the person is operating a computer located in the national territory, the website, the poker casino, that he or she is accessing and playing, is located in another country, so much so that the money won or lost remains in that other country. It is the same thing if this person had physically traveled to that other country, gone to play in a casino and won some money, and, according to our legislation, this money can and should be declared on income tax without any problem and without any tax charge, if it returns with the winner or through a bank transfer to Brazil. If you want something different from this, you would have to have a lot of creativity and false and unrealistic arguments.
Henrique, it is actually possible, you just need to study the basics of Criminal Law. The location of the crime/misdemeanor, in Brazilian law, is both the place where the action is committed (you, in Brazil) and the place where it is consummated (websites, abroad). So if that is your justification, I'm sorry, but no court will accept it. Our fight is to show that poker does not fit the bill because it is not a game of chance.
Marcelo, I have a question about an MMO game that, in this case, is distributed by Lvl Up Games, could be classified as a game of chance.
The problem is not the game itself but the periodic events that occur in which players spend thousands of reais in an attempt to obtain items.
What happens is the following: periodically within the game Allods (MMO) the company puts on events that can bring various virtual items, but to get such items it is necessary to buy virtual Chests and when opening them the items may or may not come.
100 Chests comes out to around 150 reais, what I see a lot is players who get the items by putting in even less than that and others needing to buy up to more than 1000 Chests to get the items, and it also happens that players who can't afford to spend a lot of money at each event and, unluckily, don't get anything.
I'll use myself as an example, I spend around 100 reais per event and I've never managed to win any of the items so far.
So I would like to know if the practice of these common events within an MMO game, in the case of Baus, could be considered gambling?
And if so, is there any body to which I could file a complaint so that the company could adapt and change the mechanics of these periodic virtual events within the game that are harming many players?
Thank you, I await your response!
If players pay and only receive the money through a draw (i.e., there is no skill involved), I think that in this case it is gambling. You could contact the police (the department responsible for digital crimes) or the Public Prosecutor's Office. If the server and the company responsible are abroad, it is unlikely that these agencies will be able to do anything. If the company is Brazilian, things could get complicated for them, because from what you explained to me, it is an illegal lottery.
Poker for me is a game of chance, I want to see you play without cards, are you going to bluff? But are you going to bluff all the time then? … I've played $$ too, I guess 90% luck... and the other 10 skill, I'm sorry to be realistic, but it's the truth...
If it's 90% luck, there are players out there who are very lucky, winning millions year after year, online and live. Those who play poker regularly don't even discuss the issue of it being a game of chance anymore. That's something for those who don't yet know the game in detail.
However, you are not obliged to play every hand. Just because the game is about skill does not mean that the best player will always win.
Thank you for the reply, yes, the distributor is Brazilian, in fact the largest in Brazil in the online games sector, Level Up Games, affiliated with Level Up Philippines, but the holder, that is, the owner of the game, is Russian.
Further research into some articles of law informed me that, the distributor to which we pay directly, even though it is not the owner of the game, has full responsibility for the consumer in the case of the player.
I appreciate the quick explanation, thank you very much!
Marcelo… Greetings
An example? If I have a profit in 2012 of around 2000 reais, should I report it on my income tax return? Wouldn't there be any problems with the IRS?
So, if I understand correctly, gambling, which is illegal, is a game in which people have no control over the draws, and is one that depends solely and exclusively on luck, or lack thereof. Like MEGA SENA, LOTOMANIA, LOTECA, LOTERIA FEDRAL, etc., etc., etc. Isn't it curious that the biggest exploiters of this type of game are those who most attack and try to prohibit "ILLEGAL GAMBLING"? Can someone help me understand this? I am in favor of legalizing and charging for bingo, lotteries, electronic games, poker, among others. Help me out!
HELLO EVERYONE I THINK THE FOLLOWING. I HAVE BEEN POKER PLAYER FOR 5 YEARS, I DON'T LIVE FROM POKER BUT FOR ME IT'S LIKE A THERAPY THAT AFTER THE SERVICE CALMS ME DOWN AND MAKES ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF, ESPECIALLY WHEN I ACHIEVE GOOD RESULTS, I THINK THAT WHAT SHOULD BE PROHIBITED IN THIS COUNTRY IS LOTTERIES OF EVERY KIND, I CONSIDER THE GAME OF POKER A GAME OF INTELLIGENCE THAT SOMETIMES I GET ANGRY WITH MYSELF FOR HAVING DONE SUCH AN ATTITUDE WITHOUT THINKING, I LOVE POKER, I DON'T LIVE FROM POKER BUT IT'S PART OF MY LIFE, SO I DIDN'T END MY MARRIAGE AND MY WIFE LIKES IT WHEN I HAVE GOOD RESULTS, WE EVEN HAVE A GOOD NIGHT OF SEX LOL ROYAL STREET, VERY GOOD.
Poker is clearly not a game of GAMBLING, you are not obliged to participate in the games, you only enter if you want to, unlike other games 31, black went and hit I don't understand much about other games because in these games you start by putting the money, for example to start 31 you put 10 reais. Your money is already lost unless you win at poker, not even if you enter the table with 10 reais you only play if you want to.
I would like to know!!!
If a house has 6 computers exclusively for poker games, with gaming websites, where a family plays and sells chips online to people addicted to gambling, "exploiting them because they know about their addiction", no member of the house has a job or anything like that, the family income comes only from games. Would this be seen as a crime? Would these people be punished for exploitation and for gambling?
I await answers!!!
I believe it is not seen as a crime, but they must declare such income.
Unfortunately I'm not sure how to do it.
Hugs
Everyone plays what they can. In my experience, the ambitious ones are the ones who get screwed. And it depends a lot on the player's personality. Games are out there to be played. The Zico Law taught the game of Bingo and everything was legal. Suddenly, with the argument of lack of control to tax and not because of the problems that the game itself would create. Hence, today there is massive illegal gambling. The Jogo do Bicho is considered a crime, and it still exists today. Bingo and bingo machines proliferate in bars, clubs and everywhere and fools lose their money betting with less than 10% probability. In Europe, there is a % of 50% or more chance for the bettor. It is legal, pays taxes. It generates jobs. WHAT ABOUT THE CACHACA AND WHISKY THAT ARE ALLOWED??? OH, YOU HAVE TO DRINK SOCIALLY... THE SAME IS TO PLAY SOCIALLY. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SO THIS FALSE MORALISM COMES FROM IDIOTIC CONSERVATIVE SECTORS. BY THE WAY, WHAT LAW DID THEY MAKE LAST THAT IS ANYTHING GOOD??? THEY JUST STEAL OUR MONEY IN EVERY WAY. WHERE THERE IS A SOURCE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES, THERE ARE LEECHSSUCKERS ALL AROUND. I KNOW MANY BUSINESSMEN WHO LIKE TO GAMBLE, AND THEY DIDN'T GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF GAMBLE. BUT GAMBLE HAS BROAD BACKS. SEE NOW CACHOEIRA IS CONSIDERED A BUSINESSMAN OF “ILLEGAL GAMBLING”… WHEN IN REALITY HIS BIG PLAY IS THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, LOBBYING, AND RAMIFICATIONS IN EVERY POSSIBLE POLITICAL SECTOR IMAGINABLE. BUT IT IS GOOD TO HAVE GAMBLING AS A SCAPEGOAT.
In my opinion, if betting on poker is illegal, putting money on the stock market should be too. Both are practically the same thing, they depend on the knowledge of the person practicing it, but a simple unexpected fact can lead some to ruin.
Doyle Brunson has won the world poker tournament 10 times!!!!!
Is this luck???? Has anyone ever won the lottery even twice?????
Well, from what I think this site clarified a doubt of mine, but I'm not going to make hasty decisions, I have a site ready where I'm going to draw a number from 1 to 10, but I'm going to put the drawn number in an image (like a number hunt), I'm going to do it like this: I'm going to put several numbers with multiplication, division, etc... (example: 2 x 3 = 6) but only one result will be correct, which in this case will be the drawn number, and if the person finds the number and gets it right they win a certain amount... Well from what I think this is a game that depends on your skill, that is, it's not illegal, so can I open my site without any problems???
Of course it's gambling.
You are trying to validate the game using vague arguments.
With your line of reasoning I can say that any game is not a game of chance.
EXAMPLE: DICE GAME. There is a whole range of probability and mathematical statistics that can be used. Not to mention the agility of throwing the dice.
I shouldn't even dignify your comparison with a comment, but here goes.
It's not us who are saying this. It's judges, scientists and technicians. Poker has even been recognized by the Ministry of Sports as a mind sport and we're still here discussing it.
Recently, the US Federal Court also recognized it as a game of skill.
First of all, I would like to thank Luciano for the legal clarification about poker;
Now some comments on everything I've read so far:
– poker is a game considered a sport and you DO need to have skill to become a winner (it is not in one hand or in a tournament that will make you a good player or not);
– Dedication to poker often requires more time than a conventional 8-hour job, since there is the study part, evaluation of hands, analysis of bankroll, and the game itself, among other things. This is for those who say we should think about going to work instead of playing, a good player who intends to be a professional and takes the sport seriously sometimes works more than you who had this comment. And still wants to improve his life doing what he likes.
– about relationships and poker I believe that people, instead of facing their problems, try to create distractions so they don’t have to. Talking is good for both the player and the non-player;
– Addiction can be found anywhere, it is not specific to poker. I know people who spend hours in front of the TV playing video games without eating properly or doing their chores.
– As for poker, whether it bankrupts a family or illegal poker, I have a line of thought as follows: only play poker WITH MONEY YOU DON'T NEED, PLAY IN LEGAL PLACES and if you are going to play at a house or among “friends”, know where you are stepping.
– for those who distrust certain websites, instead of criticizing them without any basis, just using guesswork, it is better to change websites.
– and finally, I would like to leave a report: I have been playing poker for about 3 years now. I haven’t made a fortune playing, but I’m growing within my limits, always trying to find out if that was the best move with that player at that time. I’ve never invested a single real or dollar to play, always studying to improve both my game and myself. I’ve learned certain things from poker (for example, it’s to analyze what people say better before giving an answer). I also think that no one has a gun pointed at their head saying: PLAY HERE. In short, I will always respect opinions, even if they’re contrary to mine, because I’m not the owner of reason. However, I advise anyone who says something to do a little more research on the subject before posting anything.
Only those who want to be addicted are addicted, since there are no chemical elements involved, like in cigarettes, alcohol, etc.
And as they say in Las Vegas: A Good Player Knows When to Leave the Table…
PT Barnum said: Every day a sucker is born
Idiots are those who don't know when to leave the table...
We are idiots when we only see the AK in our hand and forget that someone could be making a Flush:-)
Greenstein won $1.2 million and donated it all to the children.
Poker is really cool for those who have their head on straight
Marcos, I agree with everything you said except:
“since there are no chemical elements at play, like in a cigarette, alcohol, etc.”
Regardless of whether there are chemicals in drugs, they do not get into people's mouths and noses by themselves. You cannot blame INANIMATE objects, much less Poker.
Dude, I read all the comments. I'm not a poker player, but I know practically all the rules, possibilities, etc., and for the love of God, don't tell me that it's a game of strategy to the point of comparing it to chess... And another thing I see here is a bunch of addicts defending their addiction, talking as if they were the big shots in poker and such... But I have a big question. Let's suppose that if you all got together, who from what I've seen are the world's biggest poker stars, at least you consider yourself as such in a poker game. Someone is going to lose, right? You could ask a different question, only one is going to win and the rest can go to hell... Right? So my friends, this game is shit. Those who play it are shit who think they're intellectuals. A real game that makes you think for real is chess, and you know why it's not addictive. Guess what... Because those who really play chess are intelligent. There are chess games that take days or weeks to finish because there is strategy. Now a tip for both women: the solution is to report where you see a betting house, report it directly to the PF. Do this and you will see this party because the government does not want competition.
Sorry for the Portuguese mistakes, I was very sleepy.
I have been playing poker for a little over 2 years. I do not agree that players should rely exclusively on luck. In the long run, players who rely solely on luck will end up losing out. There is a factor of patience, skill, and observation. I agree with the part about cash games. In fact, there is illegality in this type of game. What I cannot stand are these false moralists who are against “gambling” or who are completely ignorant of the game and keep talking a lot of crap! An important factor in poker is knowing yourself, having self-control and emotional control. If you judge a guy who plays poker as ADDICTED, you are judging him wrong. An addict has already lost self-control and needs help, just like someone who is addicted to drugs, alcohol, or anything else.
Greetings Friends,
From what I understand, poker is a sport. It will probably be part of the Olympics in 60 years (after chess). This must be the time for society to mature.
With that in mind, Marcelo, I would like to open a business based on poker. Please rate whether my perception of all the posts above was correct:
Just as we cannot bet on football, we cannot bet on poker. However, if we want to organize tournaments for both without “direct profit motives”, we can! We could, for example, make money from the beer sold in the establishment.
And if the individual decides to open such a business, it would be a good idea to talk to the area delegate and “stay on good terms” with him, as well as maintain a preventive security order in the house.
Thank you for your attention.
Hello Feitoza!
Your point makes sense. However, I recommend posting it on our forum for further discussion among members:
https://pokerdicas.com/forum/discussao-geral-sobre-poker/
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Regarding poker, I like to play for low money, “like” 0.10 a hand, and with friends. – I’ve never played online and I imagine it’s like video poker, manipulated by the host computer. In video poker, I played for 0.01 and got a royal street flush, that was around 1980, I paid the bar bill and left with a check, but that was an exception but I didn’t lose money in video poker. However, what I want to give my opinion on is how people see the government. The government is not a third party, a separate entity. The government is nothing more than a representative of ourselves, a public employee. The government’s money is ours, it belongs to the collective. Taxes are collected by ourselves, for the collective, not for “the government”. The profits of the CEF go to the national treasury, which is the collective’s money. The profits from lotteries, from housing loans, from banking operations. – CAIXA (CEF), which was about to be privatized in the recent past, was kept state-owned by the current government and makes a lot of profit. This profit belongs to us, to the Brazilian people. Because of this distorted view that the government's money is not ours, that's why embezzlement happens: For example: rich people stealing money intended for school meals from those most in need, as we see from time to time on major television media. Or, recently: people embezzling milk from the program in São Paulo, also shown on television. It's a disgrace. Those who steal public money steal from those who have nothing. Those who evade taxes are also stealing public money. I'm a retiree, an ordinary person, from the people, I don't hold and have not held any public office.
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Only those who don't gamble win at gambling. I'm a gambler of the worst kind of gambling, which is slot machines. However, I have friends who, like me, went bankrupt playing horses, cards, casino games, and especially slot machines that aren't slot machines, but rather slot machines that can sell notes of up to 100 reais. As for the lottery, that's pure theft. It's the game with the lowest probability of all, but for the government it's not gambling, and of course everything goes to their social side. All games induce compulsion and obsession. When it comes to money, it's even worse. Few people control themselves. I'm 52 years old and I've never seen a gambler who sets out to make a living from gambling end up well. I met someone who lost 200 million at table poker. 200 million. The one who doesn't lose is the fisherman. The one who gambles knows what I mean. The one who goes for it loses, even on any terrain. I've been gambling for 20 years. I was left in poverty and I saw countless others do the same. They play for a prize but never for money, otherwise it's just a gutter.
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Friends, I have a poker cube and I have a promissory note and a check from a client who lost in a ring game. Can I collect the money in court and have his name blacklisted on the SPC?
Hello Marcos, good morning. We don't know how to provide information, it's best to seek a lawyer to resolve this issue.
Thanks.
Either allow everything or ban everything. It's that simple. Why is roulette banned? I've won a lot at roulette. I'm skilled at spinning the roulette wheel, for goodness sake. Poker is a game of chance, yes. Just like all games involving money.
Thanks for the comment, Thiago.
We respect your opinion, and encourage you to discuss the matter on our forum whenever you wish. Thank you!
Poker is a game of chance. There is no doubt about it. But the companies that make millions from it do everything they can to say that it is a game of skill. Where is the skill in an all-in where a 7 and a 2 make a full house only on the river? A pair of aces loses. Oh, but it is always the same people who make it to the final tables. Of course, they are sponsored. It is a game of chance, people, don't be fooled. Then these stories appear that someone knows someone who makes a living from it. That they earn 30 thousand reais a month, yes, I know hot dog vendors who earn more than that.
If the guy is good (and lucky too, of course) and consistently earns something between 10~20 thousand per month playing poker, for example, while the supposed hot dog seller earns 30 thousand (we know that for a person in this position to earn that much he has to be very good). Doesn't that make them both good professionals at what they do? What's the difference between a poker player? Just because he deals with "cards" doesn't mean he should be despised or disregarded.
We know it's very difficult (just like it's difficult to earn 10 thousand selling hot dogs) – both require talent, dedication, professionalism and of course, in both cases, luck.
online poker issue – no one said anything about the fairness of the software… who guarantees that the software is really capable of making a fair game. Software, a program made with formal language rules, has its limitations…
This subject is very complex and unfortunately it is somewhat outside our reality. The rooms (especially PokerStars) prove that they have a perfectly random distribution of cards that cannot be changed once it is done.
No one can say 100% for sure, but... We can only trust. One thing is certain, playing in big rooms we can expect better and more reliable attitudes.