Piazza Bruno: Hi guys, since the beginning of April I have been studying and improving my poker style, but I'm not just talking about online poker but mainly live poker, which ends up being my favorite.
Tournaments are slow styles that I like to play to have fun and test strategies and things like that because I have a lot of hands, but my favorite style currently is Cash Game where I managed to earn considerably.
My plan is to combine college with poker, making these two activities my only occupations until I graduate.
Since I started playing live cash games, I spent 400 reais and won a little over 750 reais. I thought this profit was small, I was still testing the style and correcting some mistakes, but I was still positive. My goal is to make a profit of at least one minimum wage per month, and that's just playing Texas, because I still think the Omaha style is a big variable when playing live. In tournaments, I always fall before the bubble in live, and I spend much more time to win almost the same amount as I would at a cash table.
The aim is to spend a maximum of 200 reais per day of play and earn at least 100 reais per day played, but I still have to see if I will reconcile live with online, as I have not played the cash game seriously online, and online the buy in varies a lot depending on your bankroll, whereas live here where I live it is 5 reais on the button with a minimum stack of 100 reais.
This week I will start the project with the initial stack of 100 reais, where I will put all this in graphs, I will make a separate graph of the issue of expenses in tournaments, being that they are within my bank; and as soon as I update my graph I will post it here and I will comment on the updates.
Exorciser: Hi guys, since the beginning of April I have been studying and improving my poker style, but I'm not just talking about online poker but mainly live poker, which ends up being my favorite.
Tournaments are slow styles that I like to play to have fun and test strategies and things like that because I have a lot of hands, but my favorite style currently is Cash Game where I managed to earn considerably.
My plan is to combine college with poker, making these two activities my only occupations until I graduate.
Since I started playing live cash games, I spent 400 reais and won a little over 750 reais. I thought this profit was small, I was still testing the style and correcting some mistakes, but I was still positive. My goal is to make a profit of at least one minimum wage per month, and that's just playing Texas, because I still think the Omaha style is a big variable when playing live. In tournaments, I always fall before the bubble in live, and I spend much more time to win almost the same amount as I would at a cash table.
The aim is to spend a maximum of 200 reais per day of play and earn at least 100 reais per day played, but I still have to see if I will reconcile live with online, as I have not played the cash game seriously online, and online the buy in varies a lot depending on your bankroll, whereas live here where I live it is 5 reais on the button with a minimum stack of 100 reais.
This week I will start the project with the initial stack of 100 reais, where I will put all this in graphs, I will make a separate graph of the issue of expenses in tournaments, being that they are within my bank; and as soon as I update my graph I will post it here and I will comment on the updates.
Hey, let's go.
First of all, good luck on your journey!
I have some observations to make.
It's a bit harsh to say this, but the reality of online is at least 10x harder than live (in cash games).
What I mean by this: a live cash game with a buy-in of R$ 100~R$ 200 (which would be more or less this R$ 5 on the button or R$1/R$2) would have MUCH weaker opponents than the same buy-in online, so if you're going to play online, you should really start low and work your way up. By low I mean somewhere between $0.01/0.02 tables to a maximum of $0.05/$0.10.
Your goal of R$ 100 per day in average profit is great, you can easily do it. I also agree that Omaha is not suitable for this personal challenge due to the variance and also the fact that the game naturally becomes more expensive.
Good luck!
7petrus: @Piaza Bruno
First of all, good luck on your journey.
I identify with you, I've been on this project for almost a year, going from amateur to professional, just like you, I started in Cash Game and prefer live and regular tournaments, just like you, where I've played a lot and made a considerable profit to invest in online a few months ago, and today I'm already in the transition phase to another city because of Poker. But let's go, there are some things I want you to consider: If you have a project, before entering any table, before taking the first steps, organize yourself, the idea of the chart is good, but having a spreadsheet would also be really cool, organize the days you're going to play and for how many hours, I tell you this because that moment when you're going to play is a moment when you must be 100% concentrated and focused to achieve your return. Another point is to keep your feet on the ground and calm. To give you an idea, I only got my first two salaries with live poker after 1 month playing twice a week with the same stake as you. So be patient with your game. I tell you this because bad results can affect your game in the form of psychological tilts. If you have a project to live off of this, you must understand that everything happens and you get results according to your effort. I wish you the best of luck and let's go to the felts!! :happy34:
Piazza Bruno: Hey, let's go.
First of all, good luck on your journey!
I have some observations to make.
It's a bit harsh to say this, but the reality of online is at least 10x harder than live (in cash games).
What I mean by this: a live cash game with a buy-in of R$ 100~R$ 200 (which would be more or less this R$ 5 on the button or R$1/R$2) would have MUCH weaker opponents than the same buy-in online, so if you're going to play online, you should really start low and work your way up. By low I mean somewhere between $0.01/0.02 tables to a maximum of $0.05/$0.10.
Your goal of R$ 100 per day in average profit is great, you can easily do it. I also agree that Omaha is not suitable for this personal challenge due to the variance and also the fact that the game naturally becomes more expensive.
Good luck!
All good Exorciser, so I understand this issue of the difficulty of each platform and it is one of the things I respect about online, that is why the evolution within online would be much smaller than live, the dedication to grinding online must be much greater at much lower limits.
As for the online issue, I still haven't decided whether to invest in it or spend that time on something else, since online, to live off a minimum wage, at least as is my goal, I need to grind about $320 per month, but I still haven't made a decision on whether or not I'm going to grind online.
Piazza Bruno: @Piaza Bruno
First of all, good luck on your journey.
I identify with you, I've been on this project for almost a year, going from amateur to professional, just like you, I started in Cash Game and prefer live and regular tournaments, just like you, where I've played a lot and made a considerable profit to invest in online a few months ago, and today I'm already in the transition phase to another city because of Poker. But let's go, there are some things I want you to consider: If you have a project, before entering any table, before taking the first steps, organize yourself, the idea of the chart is good, but having a spreadsheet would also be really cool, organize the days you're going to play and for how many hours, I tell you this because that moment when you're going to play is a moment when you must be 100% concentrated and focused to achieve your return. Another point is to keep your feet on the ground and calm. To give you an idea, I only got my first two salaries with live poker after 1 month playing twice a week with the same stake as you. So be patient with your game. I tell you this because bad results can affect your game in the form of psychological tilts. If you have a project to live off of this, you must understand that everything happens and you get results according to your effort. I wish you the best of luck and let's go to the felts!! :happy34:
7petrus, how are you man? I'm glad I'm not the only crazy person on this path, lol. So the issue of schedules is a very interesting thing you mentioned. I was thinking about it this morning. Here where I live, there are two poker houses. One opens at 2 pm and the other opens at 4 pm. When I start the project itself, I'll start adapting the schedules and everything else.
It's like my father always tells me "if you're going to do it, do it well". And about tilts, I experienced the knowledge of losing a lot of money due to poor hand management and my childishness, so I ended up putting the following in mind, the initial stack is 100 reais, the maximum expenditure I make will be 200 reais, if I lose 200 reais my day is over for me and I force myself to go home to study, which made me get into this situation and try not to get into it again.
I hate tilts, something that worries me, because as a stockbroker I have to invest in the lowest possible risk, avoid the biggest loss at all times, knowing when to sell or retreat and at the same time knowing when to invest more.
But tell me, man, have you been following up and in this year have you been able to maintain a good profit or is poker still not your main source of income?
7petrus: These are very important issues that you mentioned. I've experienced a lot of tilt before, when I started Cash Live. It was something that got in the way when I wanted to re-enter and recover what I lost. But I learned from it and I keep tilt away from me. Today, I still go to the club in my city at least 4 times a month because I take 30% of the profits from there to invest in online, which is a project of mine for December when I've moved to SC. Then I'll be ready. And in that time, I want to get a coach (which I think is essential for anyone who wants to become a professional) so that I can really get into online. Today, I haven't been able to maintain myself online. I'm only in Live, and with the BR that I have, I can make a good profit every month, which keeps me going with the little things, and that's how I'm going. This first year is basically a lot of studying. I spend 6 hours a day studying the game's technical aspects and doing reviews, and I put it into practice 4 times a week. It's still not enough, but every beginning is like that, the question is to persist and believe! :happy34:
Piazza Bruno: These are very important issues that you mentioned. I've experienced a lot of tilt before, when I started Cash Live. It was something that got in the way when I wanted to re-enter and recover what I lost, but I learned from it and I keep tilt away from me. Today I still go to the club in my city at least 4 times a month because I take 30% of the profits there to invest in online, which is a project of mine for December when I've moved to SC. Then I'll be ready. And in that time I want to get a coach (which I think is essential for anyone who wants to become a professional) so that I can really get into online. Today I haven't been able to maintain myself online, I'm only in Live, and with the BR that I have, I can make a good profit every month, which keeps me going with the little things, and so I'm going. This first year is basically a lot of studying. I spend 6 hours a day studying the game's technical aspects and doing reviews, and I put it into practice 4 times a week. It's still not enough, but every beginning is like that. The point is to persist and believe! :happy34:
Dude, this coaching thing you mentioned is something I also want to do. I was seeing a lot of coaches and most of them always cost more than a thousand reais, and Akkari does coaching here near my city and the cost of his course is 3 thousand reais, and his course is good, besides being with one of the best in the world, it is focused on live and online, so much so that the course is in person at a hotel with accommodation and everything included in the price I said.
But I'm still going to wait for this first year of poker to see how I go and not spend so much money at the beginning.
VIVÃO: I think that at high limits we should have between 50 and 60 buy-ins... but, if you've thought about it carefully and have support in case you can't play... good luck.
https://pokerforadacaixa.com/2014/02/20/comecando-uma-carreira-como-jogador-de-cash-games-parte-1/
Piazza Bruno: I think that at high limits we should have between 50 and 60 buy-ins... but, if you've thought about it carefully and have support in case you can't play... good luck.
https://pokerforadacaixa.com/2014/02/20/comecando-uma-carreira-como-jogador-de-cash-games-parte-1/
Thanks for the article, I really liked it, but I still haven't decided whether I'm going to grind for online cash.
Piazza Bruno: Hey guys, I had a question here, a friend of mine came to talk to me about the value of investing in poker.
The following intention was to use 100 reais to play live cash, but wouldn't it be worth using those same 100 reais (32 dollars) to play online which gives a much larger amount of games, but the biggest question that leaves me in doubt is whether it's worth it or not? The level of online play is higher and that's what makes me more afraid.
7petrus: Look, if you don't feel confident online and are more certain of a return on live, because you know who you're playing with and because you started out in Cash Live, I think it's much more viable to stabilize yourself in live and then safely move on to online. That's how I started, when I reached a certain profit margin and also became more confident and studied the online game more, then I was more convinced that I was ready and started online, but that depends on each person, evaluate yourself and see if it will be good for you.
Piazza Bruno: Today there is a micro tournament of R$10 + 5 buy in, without guarantee and then there is a freerom with 2k guaranteed, let's see if I can save a little to improve my bankroll, remembering that both are live and start now at 4pm and wish bad for my villains lol.
Exorciser: Today there is a micro tournament of R$10 + 5 buy in, without guarantee and then there is a freerom with 2k guaranteed, let's see if I can save a little to improve my bankroll, remembering that both are live and start now at 4pm and wish bad for my villains lol.
Answering the previous question (with a small correction). In fact, with R$ 100.00 you can get, at most, about $29… Not $32.
If you're going to play Cash Game as I said, it would be enough to start at NL2 with 1~2 tables, and even then it would be a bit tough... I would recommend starting with at least $50 bankroll at NL2 or jumping to NL5 straight away with about $150 bankroll (when possible). Nowadays I confess that there's not much to learn at NL2, I think you can start at NL5 if you have discipline and bankroll.
Good luck in the live tournament!
And finally, in Live Cash Game, with R$ 100.00 you can play OK at a R$ 0.50/R$ 1.00 table… But for R$ 1/R$2 it might be a bit too much. The variance is high, and pots get out of control quickly in live, since the standard open raise itself is already much higher than the typical 3x online.
pelika2012: Good luck man, this must be the dream of everyone here on the forum.
jamessurf1: Awesome topic!
I need to study more about the subject, being organized is a great start!
ThunderLaxus: Going to a final table in a tournament is very rewarding, I'm going to start grinding this week with 60 reais.
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