How to play against someone who doesn't know how to play?

carlosneri: Hello, I'm new to the forum, but I've been playing Texas Hold'em for about 3 years. I've only been playing online for 2 months.

I usually play poker with some friends at my place (about 3 times a week). My problem is: everyone is crazy, no one follows a game logic, they go with any crap in their hand, they don't respect preflop raises, they are completely loose weak and loose aggressive. And having one of these types of players at the table is easy, but what do you do when everyone is like that? We played fixed limit today for example, I gave a root with AA and the guy called me with 83o and made a FULL HAND. In other words, there is always someone playing, whether with low or high cards. I play very tight, aggressive when necessary. What do I do against this type of player? Be even tighter or expand my starting hand options?

cozar: So my tip is: value, value and value.

china: So my tip is: value, value and value.

In limit it's more complicated. I would try to convince the guys to change to nolimit urgently.

Minored: Do you play with money or just fake money?

If it's not with real money there's no way, the game is almost certainly going to be rigged

carlosneri: The buy in is 20 reais. Ring game style. Each chip is worth 20 cents, SB 1 chip, BB two chips, the blind does not increase either.

carlosneri: do you play with money or just pretend?

If it's not with real money there's no way, the game is almost certainly going to be rigged

No, the game is “serious”, the buy in is 20 reais, each chip is worth 20 cents. SB 0.20c and BB 0.40c. Even so, nobody respects anything. Of course, the guy who is winning today will spend 10 days losing, that is probability, but when there is no fish winning, there is another. that is, blind steal IMPOSSIBLE value bet on the flop IMPOSSIBLE (fixed limit) raise preflop with a monster hand VERY DANGEROUS. because they call everything!!!

Minored: So I think it would be good to change to No Limit, limit people must be thinking, oh it's only 20c and then enter with any rubbish to see the flop

J.Augusto: Convince them to switch to no limit and get back everything you lost from them.

china: man, I was the first one to say to change and I don't get any thanks...lol

carlosneri: well, I was the first one to say to change and I don't get any thanks...lol

haha! our fault! thanks for your attention x) and for the tip. one day I'll still learn something from this poker.

china: nothing like a little cry!! ehehehe clean the fish there!

J.Augusto: China, since you gave me the idea and I copied it, I also thank you. lol

wltr: It's complicated to have a strategy on how to play against someone who doesn't “know” how to play Fixed Limit, but try to play for value, like cozar said.

Simão: If I can switch to No Limit it will be much better, as many have said. I use a strategy that works well, those who don't know how to play don't know how to bet, so when I have a monster hand, I can overbet (without going crazy) and most people don't even look at how much the chips they're putting on the table are worth, they just ask: "4 black?" and they pay to get screwed.

rafsilva: Hello, I'm new to the forum, but I've been playing Texas Hold'em for about 3 years. I've only been playing online for 2 months.

I usually play poker with some friends at my place (about 3 times a week). My problem is: everyone is crazy, no one follows a game logic, they go with any crap in their hand, they don't respect preflop raises, they are completely loose weak and loose aggressive. And having one of these types of players at the table is easy, but what do you do when everyone is like that? We played fixed limit today for example, I gave a root with AA and the guy called me with 83o and made a FULL HAND. In other words, there is always someone playing, whether with low or high cards. I play very tight, aggressive when necessary. What do I do against this type of player? Be even tighter or expand my starting hand options?

Dude, seriously… you have to be thankful for playing with all these fishes…

That AA hand you mentioned here, you are being guided by the result, you have to think long term... in this type of situation you win 87% sometimes and the rest you will lose is part of the game, so it is always a value bet against this type of player that you will win frequently... Since everyone calls with any two cards you have to know what situation you are in, know if the size of the pot is worth the investment in the hand, know which hands you should invest or not, etc...

Read the book: Small Stakes Hold'em
It's by David Sklansky and I think it will help you a lot. It's a book focused on limit in low-value games where most players are loose and weak and go too far with their hands!!!

Here's a tip… :happy34:

Hug!!!

cozar: In limit it's more complicated. I would try to convince the guys to change to nolimit urgently.

It's still Value pow, don't you know how to play FL? If there's a lot of action you give up your weak hands, and when you have good hands you CAP whenever possible.

Another tip is when the pot is, for example, 25BBs, don't fold to a single player bet just because the draw appeared, even if you are almost certain, you have to be winning very little for the call to be profitable. But if that draw appeared and one bet and others called the raise, you can fold your hand with peace of mind.

carlosneri: Guys, thanks for the tips! It's always good to talk to someone who knows much more than you do. Looking at the statistics (yes, I make a bankroll in real poker too), I'm making a profit of 920 reais this year. I don't have much reason to complain, just because I lost about 10, 20, 40 reais in the last events.

As for poker books, my English is intermediate and I'm not completely fluent. What can I read in Portuguese? Can I find them in e-book format? If not, where can I buy them online?

grateful!

JacKJoKKer: Hi Carlos.. once again.. welcome to the forum..

Dude... I have the e-book The Theory of Poker (in Portuguese) and Harrington on Hold'em Vol 1 (also in Portuguese). If you want me to send it to you by email, send me an email asking for it and I'll send you the email with the books attached =DDD

my email is [email protected]

hug man and congratulations on your profit on the live with your friends 😉

china: It's still Value pow, don't you know how to play FL? If there's a lot of action you give up your weak hands, and when you have good hands you CAP whenever possible.

Another tip is when the pot is, for example, 25BBs, don't fold to a single player bet just because the draw appeared, even if you are almost certain, you have to be winning very little for the call to be profitable. But if that draw appeared and one bet and others called the raise, you can fold your hand with peace of mind.

No, I don’t know… 🙁

prof_anselmo: what's up mate...

Look... they will pay any raise you make without a doubt, except for the all-ins, so be careful...

they will pay to see flop
control the pot… always cbet, always raise pre-flop if you are going to enter, and avoid bluffing when he is calling your cbet, because he will have flopped something.
As for the hand you mentioned, it was his luck, and luck won't always smile on them, in fact, it will smile on them very rarely.
at most they will call the cbet, if they come back it's a fold, if they call be careful, they flopped something, so don't try the bluff

skill is more frequent than luck, so… keep studying and don't get discouraged.

prof_anselmo: what's up mate...

Look... they will pay any raise you make without a doubt, except for the all-ins, so be careful...

they will pay to see flop
control the pot… always cbet, always raise pre-flop if you are going to enter, and avoid bluffing when he is calling your cbet, because he will have flopped something.
As for the hand you mentioned, it was his luck, and luck won't always smile on them, in fact, it will smile on them very rarely.
at most they will call the cbet, if they come back it's a fold, if they call be careful, they flopped something, so don't try the bluff

skill is more frequent than luck, so… keep studying and don't get discouraged.

prof_anselmo: It's complicated to have a strategy for how to play against someone who doesn't “know” how to play Fixed Limit, but try to play for value, like cozar said.

The strategy against this type of player is not to make crazy plays, but rather, understand their behavior at the table…

and how they react at each moment of a street

carlosneri: Hi guys, in today's live I adopted a strict strategy in selecting starting hands (hearing protests like: that way you'll never win), raising with ALL monster hands, with some excellent hands and even with marginal hands when the position at the table was good, followed by inflexible CBs in case of a high pair with a good kicker on the flop (some folds in cases of reraise), this tilted the crowd, making everyone tighter in hand selection. A few slowplays too, when there was about 2 pair on the flop and I didn't identify any possible draw for the opponents.

RESULT: I made a profit of 130 reais, 70 in cash and a sadly signed check for 50.00 (buy in 20.00)

QUESTION: Was it an effective or risky strategy? Luck?

prof_anselmo: I would play the same way, I think you played it right

tilting the crowd is part of the strategy sometimes.

The kind of comment you received comes from someone who can't accept that someone else may have a better level of skill than someone else.

Congratulations friend… correct strategy in my opinion

LeoNeto: RESULT: I made a profit of 130 reais, 70 in cash and a sadly signed check for 50.00 (buy in 20.00)

lol… I imagined the guy’s face signing the check after the game… LOL

icemanjr0: I have a group of friends who are like that too, from time to time we get together to play, but I play NL, at first if I played correctly I would only lose, there is a saying “if you can't beat them, join them”, that's what I did, I adapted my game to theirs, now every time we play I make a small profit... Well then, with those who don't know how to “play”, try to play like them and then the result will come, of course it's a game where if you bluff, they will go with whatever pair they have, only then play seriously and the result will come...

Petrillo: Dear Carlos,

Limit Hold'em, in my opinion, is the poker game that requires maximum skill to be a winner in the long run (more than 100,000 hands played).

Some time ago I wrote two articles that may help you.

How to Play Against Fish | Poker Tips

How to Turn a Donkey into Phil Hellmuth! | Poker Tips

Read the book “Small Stakes Hold'em – Making Big Money with Master Plays”, by David Sklansky, Ed Miller and Mason Malmuth. It's perfect for the game you're talking about!

It's about limit holdem. It shows you how to play at these limits.

But you will have to adapt even more, playing only premium hands out of position (some suited connectors and low pocket pairs are good if the board is passive, with many limpers) and very aggressively when in position.

I think it's cold to switch to No Limit. You can win much more in Limit, with a much lower variance.

I would really like to find a group that plays limit-fish here in Floripa... But the guys only play No Limit...

In NL the shuffles are much more destructive and so emotional control must be greater. And many players play for implied odds, which are very high in No Limit…

Feel privileged to have a group of Limit… They are rare today! :happy34:

Aandysilvaa: Man, these topics help a lot, I always take advantage of them to improve my game.
Carlos, I think the best tool here is to never steal from people who don't understand you, stealing from people who don't understand you become worse than them, so never steal, always raise with cards if you can't beat them and they bet, fold! There's not much of a secret since they don't even know what they're doing, they just know the rules.
Good luck

I would really like to find a group that plays limit games, that's where you make the most profit and have fun ^^

Petrillo, your topic on how to play against fish is amazing, I just thought that part was ironic uhasuhsahusa

Luzci00: wow and froids hahaha bbeat a lot haha
The only way is to try to improve your post-flop reading
oh there you go haha how funny

motocross728: yeah bro... with that chip value you won't get anything... put it at 40 and 80 cents... NL... otherwise the table will always be full... no one will miss the flop for 20 cents...

People play here for 1 buck a token... and a minimum purchase of 50 bucks... that makes it difficult for idiots to go all-in with anything... because if you lose you're fifty... I improved the game a little... but some people are breaking it... lol

Infanato: our friend above must have used this…

VIGIA N: Guys, thank you for the tips! It's always good to talk to someone who knows much more than you do. Looking at the statistics (yes, I make a bankroll in real poker too), I'm making a profit of 920 reais this year. I don't have much reason to complain, just because I lost about 10, 20, 40 reais in the last few events.

As for poker books, my English is intermediate and I'm not completely fluent. What can I read in Portuguese? Can I find them in e-book format? If not, where can I buy them online?

grateful!
old man as you said there is not much to complain about!!!!
You're making 920 profit this year and you're still complaining about donks? That's not fair...:club2::club2:

Original author: carlosneri.