prof_anselmo: I think every self-respecting player tries to study poker, to get away from the phrase, I'm unlucky today. Actually, luck does help, but most of the time it's the person themselves who played a bad round of betting and didn't make the right reading.
However, many theories don't apply at certain buy-in levels. This is because at the lower levels there are those who are curious and new to poker. I'd like you to comment on this situation.
brunomulato: I still have little money invested in poker, so I play at the lowest tables and tournaments and something I've learned is that you shouldn't bluff beginners and/or bad players (at least you should bluff a lot less). Even they don't know what they're doing, so how can you expect them to guess what YOU are doing? That's why many moves that would be the right thing to do at a given moment don't work at these lower levels. What you have to do is play and learn for each level, each situation, how you should play, after all there will always be bad players in a tournament, but in those where they are concentrated you need a little more attention at the beginning.
DHolder: Bluffing bad players (who are usually passive) is really bad, they just look at their cards and the flop, if they hit any part of it (open-ended str8 draw, flush draw, gut shot any pair etc) they'll pay and go for it. And bluffing these players is suicide.
Slowplay at low limits should also be rare, against passive players it's best to ALWAYS bet your good hands because they won't let anything go and if he has a draw and you slowplay by checking he might get a freecard and catch the draw on the turn or river and tournament over for you, so put money in the pot while you think you're ahead 🙂
Petrillo: I think the basic theory is still valid. However, applying it requires an adjustment, where you have to be tighter than "correct" and almost never bluff...
prof_anselmo: I think we've all tried to apply the readings, but at tables where people are still learning it's complicated...
They go with any 7 2 o .It becomes difficult to put the opponent on any hand.
There are those who pay for everything with the lowest pair on the board.
Recently blinds 800 and 400, I AK utg, raise to 3 x bb, trying to steal blinds, a guy with 72o calls, but until then I didn't know his hand... flop A22, I raise 4 bb the guy all in... reading that he played several hands and it was a call station, he goes home... I call and guess what... I lost... ehhehehe
But I still stayed in the game because of my stacks.
Antonucci82: That happened to me in a recent freeroll:
Blinds at 1500, I had about 22,000 in the cutoff. The only one at the table with more money than me was a guy on my right with 33000 or so. Everyone runs, he clears, I raise to 6000. My hand: KK. The button folds, the blinds fold, he calls. Flop: 3-7-3 two of hearts. Good. He calls, I go all-in. He calls and shows me A-2!!! Diamonds. On the river, he hit the ace. I didn't understand the refined logic that led him to make that move (I went all-in with QK?). I left the tournament, foaming with rage.
DHolder: That happened to me in a recent freeroll:
Blinds at 1500, I had about 22,000 in the cutoff. The only one at the table with more money than me was a guy on my right with 33000 or so. Everyone runs, he clears, I raise to 6000. My hand: KK. The button folds, the blinds fold, he calls. Flop: 3-7-3 two of hearts. Good. He calls, I go all-in. He calls and shows me A-2!!! Diamonds. On the river, he hit the ace. I didn't understand the refined logic that led him to make that move (I went all-in with QK?). I left the tournament, foaming with rage.
That raise to 6k is unnecessary, enter with 2.3-2.5bbs (which in this case would be 3.5k-3.750k) because when you're intending to steal the blinds that raise is more than enough and will save your stack if someone comes home. And don't worry, you won $ in that KK x A2d hand.
DHolder: I think we've all tried to apply the readings, but at tables where people are still learning it's complicated...
They go with any 7 2 o .It becomes difficult to put the opponent on any hand.
There are those who pay for everything with the lowest pair on the board.
Recently blinds 800 and 400, I AK utg, raise to 3 x bb, trying to steal blinds, a guy with 72o calls, but until then I didn't know his hand... flop A22, I raise 4 bb the guy all in... reading that he played several hands and it was a call station, he goes home... I call and guess what... I lost... ehhehehe
But I still stayed in the game because of my stacks.
The more he pays 72nd, the better. He lost that one, but do you think he'd fold on a 733 flop? These donks make you go out with $ on the long run so don't be sorry if he calls with 72o or any other shit, just play it right and it's ez $ 😎
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Antonucci82: That raise to 6k is unnecessary, enter with 2.3-2.5bbs (which in this case would be 3.5k-3.750k) because when you're intending to steal the blinds that raise is more than enough and will save your stack if someone comes home. And don't worry, you won $ in that KK x A2d hand.
So, I don't tend to raise a lot, I vary from 2x to 4x the BB, depending on the attitude of the table. Since they already had the blinds and the limper, I bet to take it or stay in the heads-up, since my hand was enough. The other pots were in the 10k range, and for one of them to pay out I'd go all in, which would probably put me in the heads-up, which I wanted. My only fear was the 33k, but when everyone fled and he called, with the flop I saw the flush draw and decided to try and take the table. Maybe that's where I went wrong, I could have just continued betting, but I really had the best chance if he called (although I didn't care, the pot of almost 10k was already great), at that point I was only afraid of 77, because if he had AA he probably would have rebet me pre-flop.Would you play differently?:)
DHolder: So, I don't tend to raise a lot, I vary from 2x to 4x the BB, depending on the attitude of the table. Since they already had the blinds and the limper, I bet to take it or stay in the heads-up, since my hand was enough. The other pots were in the 10k range, and for one of them to pay out I'd go all in, which would probably put me in the heads-up, which I wanted. My only fear was the 33k, but when everyone fled and he called, with the flop I saw the flush draw and decided to try and take the table. Maybe that's where I went wrong, I could have just continued betting, but I really had the best chance if he called (although I didn't care, the pot of almost 10k was already great), at that point I was only afraid of 77, because if he had AA he probably would have rebet me pre-flop.Would you play differently?:)
Ah, I didn't see that he had gone in clean, so the raise was ok and the all in on the flop too, although it was a bit of an overbet (16k out of 14.5k in the pot) but I don't think it was that wrong 🙂
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brunomulato: I think the raise was okay, depending on the table even a little low. But from what I understood from the explanation, I would have done exactly the same thing. Including the all in. If after the flop he bet half the pot it would almost be worth the guy calling with A7, for example. Going all in, it wouldn't be a big mistake to call with AA, a 3 in the hand or two hearts, otherwise he'd have the guy for dinner. Too bad he was unlucky, it happens...
prof_anselmo: honestly, it's these types of players that make us rethink.
But in the long run, the curvature tends to normalize... you were absolute in the hand, about 10 to 15 percent, which means that in the long run your game will make you a profit.
However, there are some people who earn money without depositing it on the sites and therefore don't value the money at all... and this increases the possibility of bad bets
prof_anselmo: you did the right thing with the all in, to avoid the fellow's flush draw, because I wouldn't give him a 3 either, but his raise, wanting to kick out, really made it look like he had nothing in his hand, as he went all in with a limp
DonBorella: Honestly, it's these types of players that make us rethink.
But in the long run, the curvature tends to normalize... you were absolute in the hand, about 10 to 15 percent, which means that in the long run your game will make you a profit.
However, there are some people who earn money without depositing it on the sites and therefore don't value the money at all... and this increases the possibility of bad bets
what would poker be without fish? it would be over!
think.... if everyone was good and didn't make mistakes, what would the game depend on if not luck?
no way....
so let the fishes take their little pots and brag to their friends that they hit an AA with 23rd...
withctza you won't find them very often in tournaments and paid sites, because they will have broken down and will be playing freerolls again...and you, if you have control and discipline, will be moving up the ladder...winning and losing to fishs - which exist everywhere - but continuing on your way!
plug them!!!
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