ricardons8: All right guys, if you can help me analyze some hands here, I'd appreciate it...
1st hand AA against Nit...
Stats Vilão 162hands
5/3/5,0
3-Bet - 0, Steal-10, WTSD-43, W$SD- 33
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em
5 players
ricardons8 (CO): $13.01
macgyver1984 (BTN): $11.71
PriestOnFire (SB): $10.00
hd89 (BB): $13.31
Integral2 (UTG): $8.04
Hero is CO with Ahearts, Aspades
Preflop: ( $0.15 )
1 fold, ricardons8 raises to $0.30, macgyver1984 calls $0.30, PriestOnFire calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ( $1.00 ) 8diamonds, 2hearts, 8clubs (3 players)
PriestOnFire checks, ricardons8 bets $0.50, macgyver1984 calls $0.50, PriestOnFire raises to $1.50, ricardons8 calls $1.00, 1 fold
Turn: ( $4.50 ) 3clubs (2 players)
PriestOnFire checks, ricardons8 checks
River: ( $4.50 ) 3diamonds (2 players)
PriestOnFire bets $2.50, ricardons8 calls $2.50
Results:Final Pot: $9.50
ricardons8 had Ahearts, Aspades
PriestOnFire had 7hearts, 8hearts
PriestOnFire collects $9.04 from pot
2nd AKo
Villain's stats at 237hands
18/13/3,7 Steal-16, DonkBet-20%, WTSD-31, W$SD-75%
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em
6 players
Nash-rus (SB): $10.50
Deepkiller (BB): $13.77
damsnews (UTG): $11.51
ricardons8 (MP): $10.00
MrADaley (CO): $12.19
PartyPuschel (BTN): $10.35
Hero is MP with Adiamonds, Kclubs
Preflop: ( $0.15 )
1 fold, ricardons8 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Nash-rus calls $0.25, Deepkiller calls $0.20
Flop: ( $0.90 ) 7spades, Kdiamonds, 7hearts (3 players)
Nash-rus bets $0.60, 1 fold, ricardons8 calls $0.60
Turn: ( $2.10 ) 2spades (2 players)
Nash-rus bets $1.50, ricardons8 calls $1.50
River: ( $5.10 ) Qclubs (2 players)
Nash-rus bets $3.25, ricardons8 calls $3.25
Results:Final Pot: $11.60
Nash-rus had 6diamonds, 7diamonds
ricardons8 had Adiamonds, Kclubs
Nash-rus collects $11.04 from pot
3RD QQ
Villain in 53hands
27/22/4 3bet-7,1 Steal-40
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em
6 players
ricardons8 (UTG): $10.10
romkiiin (MP): $4.83
Integral2 (CO): $10.00
N1to (BTN): $10.83
Bigro73 (SB): $10.00
shiddylakidd (BB): $5.00
Hero is UTG with Qclubs, Qhearts
Preflop: ( $0.15 )
ricardons8 raises to $0.30, romkiiin raises to $1.00, 4 folds, ricardons8 raises to $2.00, romkiiin raises to $4.83 ( all-in ), ricardons8 calls $2.83
Flop: ( $9.81 ) Aspades, 6spades, Tspades (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ( $9.81 ) Tclubs (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ( $9.81 ) 8hearts (2 players, 1 all-in)
Results:Final Pot: $9.81
ricardons8 had Qclubs, Qhearts
romkiiin had Kdiamonds, Kspades
romkiiin collects $9.32 from pot
4TH KT
Villain 41hands
57/11/1,6 3bet11,1
Flop Cbet33
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em
6 players
Rabkebab1965 (MP): $7.70
veetovt (CO): $16.39
ricardons8 (BTN): $10.39
koul7 (SB): $4.08
YurNas (BB): $10.00
Kulu89 (UTG): $10.15
Hero is BTN with Tspades, Kdiamonds
Preflop: ( $0.15 )
3 folds, ricardons8 raises to $0.30, koul7 raises to $0.50, 1 fold, ricardons8 calls $0.20
Flop: ( $1.10 ) 4spades, 9hearts, Tclubs (2 players)
koul7 checks, ricardons8 checks
Turn: ( $1.10 ) 3diamonds (2 players)
koul7 bets $3.58 ( all-in ), ricardons8 calls $3.58
River: ( $8.26 ) Ahearts (2 players, 1 all-in)
Results:Final Pot: $8.26
ricardons8 had Tspades, Kdiamonds
koul7 had Khearts, Kspades
koul7 collects $7.85 from pot
Dieisonstein: I prefer 4bb+1bb per limper, but okay.
@1 I think I'll bet 4 on the flop, but I don't think I'll fold.
@2 Reraise on that donkbet always imo. As played I fold on the river.
@3 Cooler
@4 Dou b/f flop, as played fold turn.
ricardons8: on the second dieison, reraise for value? I don't know, but I think a raise knocks out almost all the hands you're winning, and if you raise, is it fold or shove? I think folding on the river is good, but it's hard to fold.
Dieisonstein: He's still going to call a lot with pp and K worse imo, if he raises I can't see myself folding.
Flush: 1) I would NEVER put 67s on a villain with VPIP 5. Therefore, I would get bogged down easily, as you did. For me, your move was correct.
2) Same thing. OOP villain raising with 78s? I'd get stuck too.
3) Cooler
4) I'd fold pf.
Ricardo, perhaps in the first two hands you were paid for your image at the table. As you're experienced and have a wider range to play in position, these guys may have "paid to see", even if it wasn't their standard of play. Because it can't be a coincidence that two conservative players pay their raises with speculative hands.
Sorry if I said anything silly 🙂
Gabriells: @ hand 1 : 4bet to 4$ and fold to shove.
If he calls I fold to any very high bet...otherwise I just call all the way.
@hand2: call flop and 3bet river for 4$. Fold to 4bet.If I only c/c river, if the bet is not too high in relation to the pot, otherwise fold.
@hand3: Few hands to analyze, he may just be running well. I'd just call. 27/22 is a good sample...as he has few hands, I consider him a bit tight...I'd put a K or A on his hand, and I'd avoid the flip.It was call and re-evaluate the situation.
@Hand 4: bet flop man! You have to extract value from your hand. You don't know anything about the villain, because he could be 3-betting with any2.
As played, I would have given him a call...he could have anything...but as we don't have any more samples, it's very difficult to assess this situation.
There are a lot of guys who play well loose and all that, going with anything...but they hardly ever risk their entire stack with garbage.
Gabriells: 1) I would NEVER put 67s on a villain with VPIP 5. Therefore, I would get bogged down easily, as you did. For me, your move was correct.
2) Same thing. OOP villain raising with 78s? I'd get stuck too.
3) Cooler
4) I'd fold pf.
Ricardo, perhaps in the first two hands you were paid for your image at the table. As you're experienced and have a wider range to play in position, these guys may have "paid to see", even if it wasn't their standard of play. Because it can't be a coincidence that two conservative players pay their raises with speculative hands.
Sorry if I said anything silly 🙂
You really have to assess the whole situation.
67s and 78s are good hands for playing in multi-way pots (with more than one player) and for protecting blinds.
That's what they did... as the 3BB raise isn't that much extra they have to spend, they prefer to call. Apart from the fact that if the BB is loose, or the SB has already called, then it pays off even more, because of the dead money in the pot.
If you're in the blind and there's a guy with a high steal, it's okay to call with any2 and then donkbet, or to 3bet straight to PF.
But of course you have to be aware that you're out of position, so you have to know how to drop in post-flop.
Minored: I'm seeing a lot of people saying 4bet flop and such, when they actually mean 3bet on the flop, not just in this thread, I've seen it in several threads.
in PF 3 bet is when you reraise, because the blind = 1bet, the guy's raise = 2bet (you don't say 2bet, you just say raise), the reraise 3bet.
now on the flop the guy's bet is 1bet, when you raise it's not 3bet the name is raise, 3bet is reraise on the flop
an example
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($50.70)
BB ($55)
CO ($50.20)
Hero ($61.25)
Dealt to Hero J:club: T:spade:
fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, BB calls $1
FLOP ($3.25) 8:heart: K:diamond: 5:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $5.50, Hero raises(3bet) to $13 ,BB raises(4bet) to $53.50 (AI), Hero folds
BB wins $27.80
Gabriells: Minored, just to know, in the case of Hand 1, when I check 4bet flop, is that correct?
He raised 0.5, the bad guy reraised (3bet) 1.50 and I suggested 4betting to 4$.
That's right, isn't it? 😀
Minored: on the hands
I don't see much point in raising on the flop or river, it will only scare off the bluffs.
second hand, I'd raise donkbet and bet bet, for value obv.
third hand, normal, but just one thing to take into account, you were UTG usually when 3-bet UTG are representing a lot of strength
last hand, it's easy to call pf because you're getting absurd odds, but you have to know how to fold TP.
Oh and if I were you, I'd start opening at least 3.5x the bb + 1 per limper, do 3bb on the btn and sb on the other positions 3.5bb
Minored: Minored, just to know, in the case of Hand 1, when I check 4bet flop, is that correct?
He raised 0.5, the bad guy reraised (3bet) 1.50 and I suggested 4betting to 4$.
That's right, isn't it? 😀
no, then, he bet 0.5, he didn't raise to 0.5. the villain did raise 1.5. what you're suggesting is 3bet on the flop
ricardons8: @ hand 1 : 4bet to 4$ and fold to shove.
If he calls I fold to any very high bet...otherwise I just call all the way.
@hand2: call flop and 3bet river for 4$. Fold to 4bet.If I only c/c river, if the bet is not too high in relation to the pot, otherwise fold.
@hand3: Few hands to analyze, he may just be running well. I'd just call. 27/22 is a good sample...as he has few hands, I consider him a bit tight...I'd put a K or A on his hand, and I'd avoid the flip.It was call and re-evaluate the situation.
@Hand 4: bet flop man! You have to extract value from your hand. You don't know anything about the villain, because he could be 3-betting with any2.
As played, I would have given him a call...he could have anything...but as we don't have any more samples, it's very difficult to assess this situation.
There are a lot of guys who play well loose and all that, going with anything...but they hardly ever risk their entire stack with garbage.
@1 Raise to $4 then fold? why would you raise fold?
@2 raise on the turn and then fold again? what's the villain's range? you're not being influenced by the result.
@3 the guy's stack wasn't very high, you call. then if there's an A, or K you fold? and all in with low cards?
@4 why would i bet on this flop, i take a lot of hands i'm winning and lose the chance of the villain betting by bluffing an AK for example. i called because i thought his move was strange, all in i thought it was a bluff
ricardons8: ah and minored do you play NL25?
Minored: ah and minored do you play NL25?
I'm playing on NL50.
ricardons8: Cool!!! can you pass on your msn so we can talk?
which room do you play in?
Sarsante: I agree with what Minored said.
but imo the call of the 1st hand is related to his image. a villain nit (5/3) usually doesn't call with sc oop.
post your stats there, in HM put in reports, leak buster by position and take a print.
hugs
ricardons8: Thanks Sarsante!!! I hadn't found this on HM yet, I still need to learn a lot about this soft!!!
I'll take a print soon
ricardons8: //img20.imageshack.us/img20/4972/leakposition.jpg
Damn... I've got to get better at BB, is that normal?
Dieisonstein: I don't know if this value is normal (I believe it is) but in BB and SB you will almost always be negative.
Gabriells: I don't know if this value is normal (I believe it is) but in BB and SB you will almost always be negative.
It's normal to be negative, but not -47bb/100.
Ricardons: I see I have a lot to learn... my analysis of your hands seems to be all wrong 😀
But it's just that my style is very aggressive, I think it's something I need to improve... but it's just that I play NL2 and if I don't bet hard, I'll end up getting paid for anything...
Sarsante: hey Ricardo, I hadn't seen your stats post yet.
I think it's normal to lose money in BB, but maybe you can lose less. with the stats you have there, you can't be sure but I think (vpip/pfr) 16/4 indicates something and CC% (cold call) 16%.
maybe you're calling too many steals, add the fold to steal and fold 3bet stats.
another thing would be to review the hands, sometimes the villain raises, you don't give credit thinking it's a steal and call the bb, hit something without a kicker for example and continue not giving credit to the villain by calling until the showdown or even betting until the end. it must be some recurring leak.
also notice that from ep you're playing 13/13, but with a very low w$sd for that position (31%). maybe you're losing big pots with your monster hands. review the hands you've lost the most from ep and look for some pattern, like calling raises/3bet on the turn or river.
btw, 17/15 and 23/18 from co and bu, you're not abusing the position to take that call, maybe at that moment you were abusing it or they were legitimate raises.
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